well i think flintoff was poor there is no doubt of that but the experiance and learning curve he picked up aided with support from vaughn, with alitte support he could really be an exceptional captain leading from the front, if treskothick would have been in the side do think he would have been back up for vaughan in the world cup? what is his captaining like in ODI's? and when tresco comes back ("fingures crossed") will he be vice or freddie?

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