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Originally Posted by Ernest 133175 Also Flintoff was back in the hotel when the other were still drinking, so it would appear that Flintoffs ONLY crime was using a pedalo - he left the drinking early. |
He left the drinking early - how do you know - is that fact or press roumor - I can leave a party early, but that does not mean I have stopped partying, just not at the original place.
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Originally Posted by Ernest 133187 Andy it's not just defending Flintoff - I am annoyed that he got three punishments, when he was the first of the offenders back at the hotel.
The others who stayed on drinking - just got a fine, it is thought he left early to set an example, but on his own at the hotel he decided for some reason to go in a pedalo. |
You keep saying he left early to set an example - prove it. If he left, how do you know thats the reason he left. It may have been because he was board and left to go drink somewhere else - and we find him at 4.00 am in the sea drunk - looks like to me that he kept drinking somewhere - so how do you connect that to someone your saying was trying to set an example.
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Originally Posted by Ernest 133192 I don't believe for a minute that any England player would have allowed Flintoff to drag them out to drink - in fact if you listened to TMS - it was reported that he left EARLY to set an example to the other players. |
Once again you quote reporters, yet there is no way this can be confirmed that was the reason why he left - if he did leave early. You are using that as a defence, without having any proof of its reliability.
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Originally Posted by darksideofthemoon 133194 1. Vice captaincy lost because as a vice captain he was out after curfew and what happened at 4.00 a.m appeared on the front page of a newspaper.
2. He was banned for one match because he had been warned a few times before about his drinking. For the other players it was their first offence and it was breaking of the curfew and not drunk in charge of a pedalo.
3. He was fined as the other players were for breaking the team discipline rules. |
This is exactly how it would have been looked at - how can you punish the other players the same way as Flintoff as he is the vice captain - he has a responsibility to the team, which he failed to up hold.
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Originally Posted by Ernest 133197 You can't spit events up like that - you have to take the events as a whole, with the possible exception of past warnings.
Has he received these warnings in the past? - is that a confirmed fact, or a press rumour?. |
Well here you refuse to accept press rumours (as you qoute them), yet in your defence of Flintoff thats exactly what you have been using.