the loss of vincent is a real blow, i mea n seriously affects there chances, as all the best teams in this tornament have an consistant opening partnership, gayle an chanderpaul, hayden and gilchrist, thranga an jayursuria, to a lesser extent smith an ab deviliers, but the truth is that stabiltity at the top is not going to able players such as mccullam and mcmillan and oram to really realise their potential, though it could work to the kiwis advantaage becausre they may jus tee off early

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Finally England have risen from the ashes.