I will add, seamer, my post that was deleted was intended to be pointedly criticising the older posters I accepted the deletion of my post not only because of its (imo, misunderstood) tone [acknowledged already] but because there are newcomers who may find something new, unbiased and pleasantly put somewhere in the thread. Three Murali threads on this page: two have deleted posts. My 'boring' was certainly misplaced [already acknowledged] but the sentiments in the post were real ... and not intended to denigrate.