Hide/show banner
World A-Team Cricket Forum

Welcome to the World-A-Team Cricket Forum. We promote friendly, good-natured, quality cricket discussion.
Go Back   World A-Team Cricket Forum > Australia Cricket Forum > AUS Archived Threads 2004
Sitemap Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Contact Us Chat Room Shoutbox News Podcasts Fantasy Cricket

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 12:15 PM
Goatman's Avatar
Goatman Goatman is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Utrecht, Netherlands
My main national team: I support more than one national team
My other team/s: Yorkshire, England, Holland
Posts: 1,368
Adam Gilchrists "crusade"

Having just read Flemings comments on Gilchrist's "crusade" I'd thought I should just pop by and voice my unwaivering support for Gilchrist, in all circumstances. I am inclined to believe that Ponting is totally right in saying that Gilchrist is a fair minded man, who respects other people right not to walk if they don't want to. However, even if he was on a one man crusade I would give him all the respect possible for doing so.

The world of cricket would be all the better for more people with the integrity of Adam Gilchrist.
__________________
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear

And disregards the rest.
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 02:55 PM in reply to Goatman's post "Adam Gilchrists "crusade""
BlueyM's Avatar
BlueyM BlueyM is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Perth, Western Australia
My other team/s: Australia, WA, Gosnells CC
Posts: 14
I have to agree with Goatman.

While I personally do not favour a batsman walking, I respect those that do, and I believe that Adam Gilchrist' only "crusade" is to bring back gentlemanly and sporting behaviour to International cricket.

There have been any number of foul mouthed and boorish players (from many countries) that have slowly brought the game into disrepute over the years, and for the life of me, I fail to understand why one player who is attempting to restore some dignity to the game, is being slammed in the media.

I applaud Gilchrist's stance.
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 07:03 PM in reply to BlueyM's post starting "I have to agree with Goatman. While I..."
Zainub Zainub is offline
WAT Pakistan A Selector
WAT selector - Zimbabwe A 2005
Founder of the Official World-A-Team King of Spain Fan Club
WAT Journalist  Read my Articles
(ENG-captain) Passed Ted Dexter's 4502 Test runs
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Karachi
My main national team: Pakistan
Posts: 4,515
We all have a conscience, don't we? But how many of us actually bother listening to it? Only a few, Gilo is one of them, I'm afraid though, that at the highest level of this game he is alone. And that for me is an unfortunate reality. One I frequently regret. His practice of walking is a rare act of straightforward gamesmanship that being frank is otherwise totally unseen and unheard of in international sport now-a-days. I disagree with Fleming, I know that for them, and for others playing at this level, cricket is a source of livelihood, but I still I don't believe, and wouldn't for all the money in the world that doing the right thing can ever let you down. I under stand it up to individuals to decide if they want to walk or not, but saying I won't walk because if I do, I might lose my job, that's not true, and for the greater sends out the wrong messages to any young cricketer following the game. Walking should be encouraged, not discouraged, after all cricket would be a lot better off if people listened to their conscience more often. I know Mike Atherton will say pigs won't fly, but If McGrath can make a test match 50, after 103 test matches, there is no reason why I can't hope for a time when we're not as unfortunate as we are today where only one test cricketer is an acclaimed walker. Allan Border perhaps will argue that hypocrisy is alive, but something is better than nothing, and each small step will make a difference.
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 09:43 PM in reply to Goatman's post "Adam Gilchrists "crusade""
Chuck Palumbo Chuck Palumbo is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
My main national team: England
My other team/s: Arsenal,and Warickshire
Posts: 298
Its alright Gilchrist saying he always walks when he is averaging 40+ and his place is always secure in the team but for some others like Mcmillan whos place in the team is under scrutiny its not so straightforward.

I say that the umpires are paid to make decisions and batsman paid to make runs and it should always be like that.
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 10:17 PM in reply to Chuck Palumbo's post starting "Its alright Gilchrist saying he always..."
Zainub Zainub is offline
WAT Pakistan A Selector
WAT selector - Zimbabwe A 2005
Founder of the Official World-A-Team King of Spain Fan Club
WAT Journalist  Read my Articles
(ENG-captain) Passed Ted Dexter's 4502 Test runs
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Karachi
My main national team: Pakistan
Posts: 4,515
Gilchrist actually averages 60 plus. But that's not the point, is it? I'm a beleiver that honesty is the best policy. And it was proved in the Brisbane test match ...McMillan got out the very next delivery anway...so standing his ground didn't pay off, and Gilo had the last laugh. I'm convinced that walking is the right thing do to. And umpires for the greater part also appreciate walkers, because it makes their job easier.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 10:26 PM in reply to Chuck Palumbo's post starting "Its alright Gilchrist saying he always..."
Ernest's Avatar
Ernest Ernest is offline
Administrator
WAT England A Selector
(WI-captain) Passed Brian Lara's 11953 Test runs
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lancashire
My main national team: None - I support cricket in general
My other team/s: ::All "Test" Playing Nations
Posts: 13,518
Send a message via Yahoo to Ernest Send a message via Skype™ to Ernest
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Palumbo
I say that the umpires are paid to make decisions and batsman paid to make runs and it should always be like that.
I agree with all of this, you could be wrong walking, but in any case, players have been given out who know they never got that touch, or knew the LBW was iffy.

Umpires are the officials, not the players, and over the span of a player career decisions will even themselves out.

Ern
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 10:47 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "I agree with all of this, you could be..."
Zainub Zainub is offline
WAT Pakistan A Selector
WAT selector - Zimbabwe A 2005
Founder of the Official World-A-Team King of Spain Fan Club
WAT Journalist  Read my Articles
(ENG-captain) Passed Ted Dexter's 4502 Test runs
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Karachi
My main national team: Pakistan
Posts: 4,515
[size=2]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC Sport Acedemy, Cricket: Rules: Ettiqutte[/size
] Cricket has always been seen as the gentleman's game - and that means there are certain traditions of the game which must be respected. The Academy takes you through the etiquette. Walk when you're out. Sadly this is a tradition that has gone out of the game at the highest level. But there'll be times when you know you've got an edge through to the wicketkeeper that the umpire's missed. But whether you own up and walk is your decision.
I'm fine with people not walking, because I respect their right not to, although admitedly I'll put in an effort to convince them that its the better thing to do. But end of the day, I'm still fine with non-walkers, because ultimately they are entitled under the laws of the game to do so. Although I'm not fine with people discouraging it, and people calling those few who walk hypocrites. I think people should walk because that's the right thing do to. It's not about devaluing or disrespecting the umpire's decesion, umpires, namely David Shephard, appreciated and welcomed walkers, they don't find it an insult.

Last edited by Zainub : 22-11-2004 at 10:49 PM.
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 22-11-2004, 11:27 PM in reply to Zainub's post starting "I'm fine with people not walking,..."
vvvrulz's Avatar
vvvrulz vvvrulz is offline
Back from the dead.
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Zealand
My main national team: I support more than one national team
My other team/s: India, West Indies, Sri Lanka
Posts: 1,252
Send a message via MSN to vvvrulz Send a message via Yahoo to vvvrulz
I very much support the decision made by Gilchrist to walk, it adds a new dimension of sportsmanship to the game. I recall Inzamam walking agaisnt India in one of those critical test matches during this year's series, I applauded him for leading from the front, If you know you're out for sure, then why stick around?

Of course, those that don't walk should not be put under any scrutiny, I for one never walked in my short club career.
__________________
- VVVRulz..
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 23-11-2004, 02:07 AM in reply to vvvrulz's post starting "I very much support the decision made..."
Beny's Avatar
Beny Beny is offline
WAT Australia A Selector 2004
WAT Journalist  Read my Articles
(WI-captain) Passed Jimmy Adams' 3012 Test runs
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
My main national team: Australia
My other team/s: Victoria
Posts: 3,022
Send a message via MSN to Beny
Its a sad reflection on humaity that Umpires need exsist at all. We can't trust those involved to do the right thing and so we have to pay grandpa to officiate.
__________________
It's hard enough to remember my opinions, without remembering my reasons for them!
Nietzsche
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 23-11-2004, 03:55 AM in reply to Beny's post starting "Its a sad reflection on humaity that..."
vvvrulz's Avatar
vvvrulz vvvrulz is offline
Back from the dead.
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Zealand
My main national team: I support more than one national team
My other team/s: India, West Indies, Sri Lanka
Posts: 1,252
Send a message via MSN to vvvrulz Send a message via Yahoo to vvvrulz
Well some calls are genuinely hard to make from a players point of view. LBW's and such.
__________________
- VVVRulz..
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 07:17 PM.

Page generated in 0.537 seconds (65.50% PHP - 34.50% MySQL) with 13 queries

Partner Sites: - pakistancricketzone.com | Fantasy Cricket | Cricket World Cup Images | Cricket 24/7 | Third Umpire | Indian Cricket League

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0