Australian Attack vs English Attack

[Milo]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Beny, you have an excuse for your views that Australias attack is still the greatest, you are an Aussie, and as such you have seen great success, and that to a point with respect has blinkered your thinking, you can't imagine Australia being anything other than on top in every department.
With all due respect to Rachael, what can she be thinking, can she not see a changing world, cricket is passing her by, as she clings on to fond memories of Graham Pollock, and Glen McGrath.
Rachael wallows in their past glories, missing what the likes of the new order have to offer, still clinging to the hope that McGrath and Pollock, are still the great players they were.
I really do feel sorry for Rachael, she is missing so much, and Beny I feel for you when I think what it will be like for you in 2005, I for one will be magnanimous should England prevail with a larger margin than expected, and Beny Australia will be great again.

Ern

In truth Ern, it is you who has drifted away from reality. You talk as if what you believe is the truth. You clearly never watched the India series on Setanta. Your opinions on McGrath have no actual basis in what is going on. Your memories of 1981 are also clouded. Why do you persist is talking about Australia's demise when all those that actually have been watching them have seen no sign of it.

2005 will be a rude awakening for you I'm afraid Ern. When England struggle to bowl out a South Africa side in decline in the next few weeks, I am sure that will act as a great big wake up call as well.

[The Great DonTalon]

Originally Posted by Milo

In truth Ern, it is you who has drifted away from reality. You talk as if what you believe is the truth. You clearly never watched the India series on Setanta. Your opinions on McGrath have no actual basis in what is going on. Your memories of 1981 are also clouded. Why do you persist is talking about Australia's demise when all those that actually have been watching them have seen no sign of it.

2005 will be a rude awakening for you I'm afraid Ern. When England struggle to bowl out a South Africa side in decline in the next few weeks, I am sure that will act as a great big wake up call as well.

I have never rated south africa but I wont say that their team is in decline .What I would say is that their bowling is in a decline of sorts as in it is not penetrative. It can only be so long before Pollock stops getting wickets with 74 mile an hour deliveries and someone collars him to death.

Their batting is still strong and with Gibbs in form they will be up their with the top batting lineups. Kallis is a top fight batsman and I think he should continue bowling and get his stats up there ..he's still 29 and still bowls at a quick pace...way quicker than pollock ..he should strive to learn the art of swing .

[The Great DonTalon]

i've seen some great attacks in my time and AUS does indeed have an ok attack .It stops at being ok. I think thought that is way ahead of the one England has but I SEE NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULD BE STEAMROLLING WORLD CLASS BATSMEN . i MEAN LOOK AT IT AND LETS BE HONEST..Glenn is on his last legs...Jason is a top class bowler but you get the feeling that he will never rise to greatness.

Their strength as a bowling team is in their abi;lity to keep sustain pressure on batting teams and their skill at not messing around with 9,10 jack. They knock you over and they keep the pressure up..something England has to learn to do in 2005.

A WARNING TO england ANDREW FLINTOFF AND STEPHEN HRMISSION WONT WIN YOU THE ASHES TEAM EFFORT WILL.

[/b]you'll need the odd wicket from Vaughn and treschothick..the odd run from hoggard..the odd 4-fer from Giles..team effort.[/b]

[Beny]

WOW that's old!!

What is the better attack? Windes not included.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Milo

In truth Ern, it is you who has drifted away from reality.

Milo why have I drifted away from reality, what have I said that you can disprove, and don't bring stat books out,. they only tell you the past.

Originally Posted by Milo

Your opinions on McGrath have no actual basis in what is going on. Your memories of 1981 are also clouded. Why do you persist is talking about Australia's demise when all those that actually have been watching them have seen no sign of it.

My opinions of McGrath are full of facts Milo, the one indesputable fact is his age, he must be past his best, and he has been a kingpin of the Australia attack for years,and with repect to what you think Milo, will they be the same side, without him at his best, IMHO I doubt it,and have we any reason to believe that the rest, are any better than an improving England.
Milo I doubt my memories of 1981 are clouded, I missed not one ball, and I was no kid, I watched through adult eyes, and Milo facts speak for themselves, that we turned the series round, due in the main to a band of a few, is not in dispute, so tell me why my memories are cloudy

Originally Posted by Milo

2005 will be a rude awakening for you I'm afraid Ern. When England struggle to bowl out a South Africa side in decline in the next few weeks, I am sure that will act as a great big wake up call as well.

Rome once had an Empire.
Britain once had an Empire, see the analogy, it holds good.

Ern

[haseebbutt007]

Australian Attack Is Far More Better Than English .u Can Decide By Urself By Seeing The Statistics Of Both Bowling Line Ups. Australians R More Experienced Than English . They Have More No Of Caps Than English. They Have Moe Wickets Than English. They R More Consistent Than English. They R More Talented Than English Bowlers.

[haseebbutt007]

Australian Attack Is Far More Better Than English .u Can Decide By Urself By Seeing The Statistics Of Both Bowling Line Ups. Australians R More Experienced Than English . They Have More No Of Caps Than English. They Have Moe Wickets Than English. They R More Consistent Than English. They R More Talented Than English Bowlers.

[Milo]

McGrath must be past his best. Why? Because of his age Ern? That's not a fact, it's conjecture. Think Courtney Walsh. If his bowling in India is anything to go by he is as good as ever. All your opinions are suppositions based on when McGrath doesn't perform, when he's gone, if this, if that. Just wait till next year and we'll discuss it. There really is no more to say.

1981 Ashes, you made an anaology between their batting then and now. Well, I remember their batting to be pretty poor in the first place. Greg Chappell pulled out of the tour at the last minute and Kim Hughes had to take the captaincy. The rest of the batsmen were all pretty inexperienced, many (Yallop, Wood, Border, Trev Chappell, Dyson, Welham) taking their first full tour to England. Most of them failed (mainly because they weren't test class), and only Border stood up.

Just because the series was turned around, don't kid us all into thinking Australia and England were that far apart before the seies began. That just isn't true. The bowling was a force, but the batting was always going to struggle.

[Beny]

Rome once had an Empire.
Britain once had an Empire, see the analogy, it holds good

And now we're back to kick your buts.
The slaves are now the masters....

[Occasional Fan]

I'm getting a bit confused by this thread.