Australian Attack vs English Attack

[greg]

Beny you go on about not having players out of form or injured,are you forgetting Hoggard and Jones?For the first 3 Tests Hoggard was nearly as bad as Gillespie and Kaspa and only joined in at Trent Bridge and Oval.In the time he was bowling badly i seem to remember that England managed to win 1 game and were stopped by the weather in the other.

[Beny]

I didd'nt know Hoggard bowled well?

In any scenario, Hoggard does'nt have the record to suggest that his form was anything out of the ordinary.

As for Jones... What are you trying to say? He was only out for one game and Englands bowling failed to live up to their previous standards during that game.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Beny

As for Jones... What are you trying to say? He was only out for one game and Englands bowling failed to live up to their previous standards during that game.

What about the 2nd half of Trent Bridge?Which incidently England won.Did he not miss that as well?He basically missed 1 and a half tests,McGrath missed 2.What was shown during this summer is that Australia need Tait or someone else to come through or they are going to struggle when McGrath and Warne retire.

Beny i have never said England have a better attack than Australia because you can't get anything better than Warne and McGrath together but England do have a more balanced attack.

[Beny]

And England's back up bowlers are....???

Didd'nt Jones only miss a single batting innings at Trent Bridge? Remember McGrath was never 100% fit after his injury either.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Beny

And England's back up bowlers are....???

Anderson and Tremlett at the moment.With a few more very promising youngsters emerging as well.It's the spin department that England will continue to struggle in unless Panesar is given an opportunity to develop.

Who are Australia's back up bowlers.....???? At least England have a lot of young players to choose from.Australia picked Bracken in the one day games who is hardly a youngster.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Beny

To claim that the English Bowling attack is a) better now than the Aussie side's or b) was better than the Aussie attack before,

Well I will say it again Beny, England IMO have a much better attack, in Harmison, Flintoff and Simon Jones.

Face it Beny, the Aussia attack unchanged from England has had it's day, should be persivering with the likes of Lee, Watson and Tait,

Don't get carried away with 3 one day wins, in FRIENDLY matches, against a team that does not know each other.

[Beny]

OHHH Come on Ern,

Lee is 30 years old and it was 35 year old Warne and McGrath that smashed the English batting line up when they were both fit.

And in any regards, I dont care how well they knew each other. That does'nt effect how they play as individuals. They may not be in top condition but they are still the best in the world. I dont see Pieterson or Flintoff smashing any runs or taking any wickets.

Greg, We've already been through that. By 2009 Australia could possibly be playing two of the best all-rounders in the world as well as the likes of Tait, Lee e.c.t My guess is that we are going to see another test class bowler pop up this domestic season too.

[Greeny]

Ooooh, I love a good discussion. I'm new to this forum so go easy on me to begin with!

In my opinion McGrath and Warne are a devastating pairing but they can't go on for much longer, which is a shame because I love watching them bowl in tandem. On the other hand Jones/Harmisson/Flintoff/Hoggard are a well balanced attack and with a decent spinner (Giles is getting on a bit too) we are going to be difficult to beat over the coming years.

I can't wait for The Ashes next year, it will be interesting to see how the England bowlers fair in Australian conditions. Lets hope Harmy doesn't get homesick again.

[Colourful Chaddi]

If you jugde the attacks of both of the attacks in form i believe Australia's attack is significantly stronger than England's.

Glenn MacGrath and Shane Warne are legends and they certainly make Englands bowler's look like net bowlers when in top form. Over 1000 wickets between them shows how good they are. Jason Gillespie in form is also a very good bowler who can support Glenn MacGrath excellently, I believe he is much better than Matthew Hoggard. Brett Lee is a very unlucky bowler but a very good one, he brings alot of variety in the attack with his super pace.

If all the English bowlers were in top form, Stephen Harmison is the best out of the bunch. Simon Jones has bags of potentail and i believe he will be Englands best bowler in few years, because he is able to bowl convential and reverse swing at very good pace making him dangerous in any conditions. Andrew Flintoff is an excellent bowler and justified that in the Ashes series. Matthew Hoggard is a very good bowler when the conditions suit him but im not sure how well he bowls in conditions which don;t suit swing bowling. Ashley Giles is a mediocre spinner in my opinon and is very negative, he does a okay job for England but he isn't very good.

All in all Australia have the better attack simiply because they have the presence of Glenn MacGrath and Shane Warne. But England have more balanced attack but they could improve with a quality spinner.

[Greeny]

Originally Posted by Waseem

Jason Gillespie in form is also a very good bowler who can support Glenn MacGrath excellently.

I agree with most of what you say apart from this bit, Gillespie is a spent force and will not play against England again.