Australian Batting vs English Batting

[Ernest]

I would agree that Australia are no 1 batting side in the world at the moment, and will remain so until 2005.

I doubt that anyone who has read my posts over the months, does not know I believe that bowlers win matches, and not really relevent to my point, batsmen have been known to throw their wickets away, and lose matches, England are PAST masters of this art.

To get back on track, I may be just a tad hard saying that Australia will be no 1 batsmen, only until 2005, they may well still be the best batting side, come 2006.

But, they have to face the words most hostile duo, in Harmison and Flintoff, and at Headingly, they may well tumble to Hoggard, and or Anderson as well.

Best batting side in the world or not, they I doubt will stand up to the best pace attack in the world INHO, and they don't have the bowling to hit back.

2005, in my opinion will be a rerun of 1981, they had the better batsmen then????,what happened, they could not contain Botham, nor face the pace and hostility of Willis.

Well I can see a connection, 1981 revisited.

Ern

[Beny]

Ps. what would the Aussie line up read? Something like

3. Matthew Elliott
4. Simon Katich
5. Michael Clarke,
6. Andrew Symonds
7. Brad Haddin

With 2 from Brad Hodge, David Hussey, Jim Maher, Greg Blewitt, Phil Jaques and Michael Di Venuto.

Elliot
M. Hussy
Katich
Hodge
D. Hussy
Haddin
Symonds

I think Clarke will be a regular 1st IX player.

My oppinion in this is clear. I think England are still a long way away. The closest would have to be India (when in form).

[Beny]

Thought you were taking a bit long to reply Ern.

[Ernest]

Well Beny I am up against it for a couple of days, I am still stuck in our bedroom with my PC, and when her indoors decides to go to bed, bed she goes.

Just waiting for my daughters new wood floor, then I have her old room, and I am back to normal.

Quite a bit of fur has flied the last few days, but it will be interesting to see how your batsmen fair against our pace, I think it will be the mother of all battles.

Looking to the future, as I see you are, you would seem to have ready replacements for your side, as I have said in other posts, like yourself Beny, what would happen if haemison and Flintoff where injured together, I have to old my hand up, and say we are F*****.
I could see Pieterson making a fist of it with the bat, so that is half of Flintoff replaced, but try as I might, I can't think of 2 bowlers to replace Harmison and Flintoff.

Rachael says, and I am sure she is right, we have players coming through the accadamy, but the question is, when will they be on tap?.

I believe what I say when I say I think we are the worlds best team, I can't see a team on such a high, taking a hiding, but it is within the England squad that team lies, what I mean is Fletcher has created a super squad, I know people will scoff at that, but point is, like a lolly on a hot day, when it's gone it's gone.
He has no contingencies for any crisis in the immediate future as I can see of.

ern

[haseebbutt007]

Australian Batting Is Far More Better Than English .u Can Decide By Urself By Seeing The Statistics Of Both Batting Line Ups. Australians R More Experienced Than English . They Have More No Of Caps Than English. They Have More Runs Than English. They R More Consistent Than English. They R More Talented Than English Batsmen.

[Beny]

Here,here.

[Seamer]

When England come up against Australia, they will not be bowling against South African or Windies batting line ups ,but a team that has conquered every test nation in all conditions and has class all the way to Gilchrist at seven.England is not the only team recently to come up against Australia with high hopes only to have their delusions of granduer shattered after 1 or 2 tests. England will have to wait until 2009 to have their chance. England is coming into this series carrying a fair bit of mental baggage as well.
Some stats for the record
Austalian batsmen vs England
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
Hayden 10 730 197 48.66 3 1
Langer 11 961 250 56.52 3 2
Martyn 10 702 118 54.00 2 5
Gilchrist 10 673 152 61.18 2 4
Ponting 16 1043 154 41.72 4 3
England bowlers vs Australia
W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
Harmison 9 3/70 50.55 0 1 0
Giles 7 4/101 42.71 0 2 0
Hoggard 6 4/92 62.50 0 1 0

[Trescothick]

I am the first to vote for England being marginally stronger and i truly believe that. The opening partnership of Tresco and Strass will be key. Infact it will all be key but these two will set the standard. Vaughan needs to find his feet. Thorpe has to keep going and Giles and Flintoff need to prove themselves a bit more.

But this is the best England line-up i've seen and our batsmen have the fire power to beat Australia. Don't write them off.

[vvvrulz]

Call me brave, but I say there isn't very much in it. I base this on the fact that with both teams, in almost every innings someone stands up and plays a good knock in the top 6. If you look at Englands recent success, its not always the same guy getting hundreds (though Strauss has got a few). Vaughan, Tresco, Flintoff, Thorpe, Key and Butcher have all stood up at different times. To me, this is the key ingredient to any batting lineups success, when multiple players string together a series of good knocks (like India's tour of Australia), rather than just one (like Sachin Tendulkar's one man show in the 90's).

In saying all that though, I could be very easily proven wrong during next years ashes, but my punt is, England can match them.

[Seamer]

No it is dangerous to write off any team. The team that won the ashes from England was written off as the worst team to leave Australia and you can be sure that Australia will not be foolish enough to underestimate England
But to assess England strength on their performances of 2004 is dangerous too. Sure, they have knocked over the lower ranked Windies home and away and New Zealand at home. The two tougher series that England have contested have resulted in a 2-2 draw at home against Sth Africa and a 1-0 loss to Sri Lanka away. The current series against Sth Africa could go either way. Its all well and fine to bully the weaker teams, but you have to keep things in perspective when assessing England capability against the stronger teams - let alone one of the best teams in history in Australia. For the record, Australia whitewashed Sth Africa and Sri Lanka both home and away the last time we played them.