Australian Batting vs English Batting

[Leafy Seadragon]

I still think that Tresco will struggle against the Aussies. I think the Aussie attack is harshest on batsmen that rely on eye rather than technique such as Tresco.

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by Leafy Seadragon

I still think that Tresco will struggle against the Aussies. I think the Aussie attack is harshest on batsmen that rely on eye rather than technique such as Tresco.

Then the same could be said about Pietersen. That guy has an abysmal technique (swiping across the line and lack of footwork) but has the eye to get away with it. But unlike Trescothic, he does'nt have to face the new ball i suppose.

[Leafy Seadragon]

Seamer, this is the main reason I have made similar statements re Pietersen at a test level on other threads. His eye and timing is very good, but that's commonly not enough at test level. Admittedly many of his big hits in the recent ODI were through the line rather than across it, but from the little I've seen of his overall technique I'd have concerns about it standing up to test scrutiny

[greg]

The one thing going for Tresco this time is that he is in form when he is about to play you because on previous occasions he was out of form and Gillespie made him look very ordinary.Could be the most important battle of the summer as far as we are concerned because we have to get a good start to stand a chance of winning back the urn.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by Leafy Seadragon

I still think that Tresco will struggle against the Aussies. I think the Aussie attack is harshest on batsmen that rely on eye rather than technique such as Tresco.

You mean on players like Sehwag and Laxman.... as opposed to a player like Atherton? I'd like few things more than to see the attacks on either side exploit any technical weaknesses... and to see the averages at the end of the series headed by those with the best technique (e.g. Bell)... but I fear the reverse will be true - the stand and deliver merchants may well end in the ascendency given the pitches and conditions in question.

[Leafy Seadragon]

Rachael, fair comment on the examples. I think Laxman and Sehwag are considerably more talented cricketers than Atherton and would describe Laxman's technique as loose rather than poor, but take your point. I guess I had in mind the next level of players down, but thinking this through, I guess the eye batsman is always going to deliver the occasional innings. I just don't think that they are the players you would rely on to win an Ashes campaign, unless Pietersen really is as good as Sehwag. Time will tell

[greg]

Having watched all the 1 day games so far i can't remember seeing Ponting look so out of form before.Obviously he has a few more weeks to get it before the Test match but it must be a little worry for him.

[Lemming]

Ponting has looked off-form, and I think England have done a decent job of keeping him there or there-abouts. But the important matches are coming up and in the test Ponting can take as long as he needs to bat himself into form, he's a good enough player to do that. England's job is to - if possible - keep him in his trough for as long as possible. That will obviously require disciplined on-the-spot bowling, making Ricky work for his form.

Chances are though that Ricky will come good at some point, it's just a question of whether England can cope with it when he does.

[Aussie-Yank]

I know this thread is in regards to the batting, and on that issue Australia has the upper hand - sorry did not even have to think about that one. The reason I think this will be the closest Ashes series is in the bowling, I rate the English bowling good enough to counter Australia's batting line-up, I never thought I would say that.

Australia has taken many tests out of the oppositions hand with quick agressive runs, which then turns the game into a draw or a win to Australia. Australia then uses this large total of runs with plenty of time to play to deflate the oppositions will to fight for the game. I think England is starting to gain the confidence and the will to fight as a team.

So I put it down to the first Test. If Australia dominates and wins in its usual way, England will be shot for the rest of the series and Australia retain the Ashes. If a draw (exclude rain created draws), England will gain more confidence and will be harder to beat through the series - series open , lean towards Australia. If England win, Ashes will be going back to England. Big call I know.

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by Aussie-Yank

Australia has taken many tests out of the oppositions hand with quick agressive runs, which then turns the game into a draw or a win to Australia. Australia then uses this large total of runs with plenty of time to play to deflate the oppositions will to fight for the game. I think England is starting to gain the confidence and the will to fight as a team. .

I agree with you AY, but to a point. There is no doubt that England are more that willing to put up a fight. But the one day series gave not indication of them being able to bat aggresively and attack the Aussie bowlers. Apart from Pietersens 92*, every other batsmen either failed outright, or in the case of Vaughan, Collingwood and Jones, scored very slow and ponderous half centuries. This against an Aussie attack below it's best and in ODI games where aggresive batting is usually par for the course.