matt hayden

[bevo]

matt hayden has been in the firing line in the past couple of tournaments , he failed in the chappell /hadlee series , vb international , test against pakistan.To be fair to matt hayden he he was averaging 30 in test i think , that is good enough to keep him in the test side , his standard is usually double that , so should he have more of a break to regain his form, his wife is due to have a baby so a little break will do him good , for the ashes and the matches against the rest of the world XI.Hayden theoretically should lose the opening position but shouldnt lose it going by past form , he has been at the top of his game for 4 years getting over 1000 each year and averaging highly in ODI , even when struggling for form in 2004 , so he should keep his spot quite convincingly , no specualtion bout that , or is there ? what do you recon ?

[Seamer]

The selectors persisted with Martyn and it payed off big time. Having said that they persisted with M Waugh and M Taylor(was,nt he a good player - for all of one year) and we all had to endure their endless form slump for years. But Haydens recent record warrants more time to regain form - he will find it sooner rather than later for sure. I believe the Aussie selectors WILL persist because (1) They do not succumb to pressure from the morons in the media and (2) form is fleeting, class is permament

[vvvrulz]

I actually never thought of Hayden much as an ODI player, despite his good average. I can't recall the last time, or any time Hayden single-handedly turned an ODI for Australia, im sure he has of course, but not enough so. He of late has been unable to force any pace, for the last two years in fact, and I think its time to give Clarke a go.

He should definately be persisted with in the test line-up though, his success there is well proven.

[Zainub]

Aussie selectors have hinted they might drop Hayden for the finals, they said they will select "best possible eleven" and if that meant no Matty Hayden, then so be it. On the other hand Aussie skipper Ricky Ponting has been on other lines, and he's kind of given the impression that he has more faith in him (and even out of form Andrew Symonds) then the selectors might have. Very interesting this situtaion. I will look forward to seeing who Australia pick.

[Seamer]

As usual, as soon as Australia loses a game, they need a scapegoat and this time it is Hayden. Ponting and Gilchrist have not been in good form either. Should their positions be under scrutiny as well? Definately not. Like Hayden, they are class players and should be allowed the odd form slump. Clarke is playing very well at the moment but there is no doubt that he will have a form slump as well in the future. When he does, the selectors will show patience with him and Hayden deserves the same. If the selectors succumb to media pressure, i for one will not be happy
Some stats from this series:
Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave
ML Hayden 4 4 0 42 27 10.50
RT Ponting 6 6 1 132 78 26.40
AC Gilchrist 3 3 0 53 47 17.66
Gilchrist,s 47 - he was dropped on 5. If the catch was taken his average would have been 3.66 Take away Pontings 78 and his average would be 9.8

[Paoli]

The reality is, stand aside Haydos, there is someone newer and frankly better than you taking your spot.

At least in the one day game.

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

The reality is, stand aside Haydos, there is someone newer and frankly better than you taking your spot.

At least in the one day game.

Clarke has has a reasonable 12 months but that does,nt make him a better player than Hayden. And can he keep it up???He has to do it over a few years before we can know that. There have been other guys that people have said are the new Bradman over the years ( eg Blewitt, Elliot) and where are they now? Gone and forgotten. Don,t be surprised if the same happens to Clarke.
Haydens ODI record:
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50
108 3693 146 39.70 4 24
Clarkes
42 1306 105* 46.64 2 7
Clarke has had a remarkable 12 months and his record is only slightly ahead of Hayden who has just gone through a slump. I don,t think Clarke can keep it up and his numbers will start to drop. Even Clarke has admitted that.
Hist test average is 48 which lower than Ponting Hayden Martyn Gilchrist over ther long careers. And he has exceeded himself in this form of the game as well and will be found out in time as well.
Clarke could be just a flash in the pan and i would,nt be surprised if he is out of the Aussie side in 12 months time. Dropping someone like Hayden with the record he has because of a minor form slump is a disgrace

[bevo]

Why of why did Hayden get dropped , clarke got 9 of 22 i think , im sure haydens current form wouldn't suggest he would beat this score but his career record in both forms , suggests he would of stood up in the final giving australia a higher score not a score in the low 230's which will win them the game any way , will katich get dropped for hayden next game , i hope so.

[Paoli]

No, but Clarke is a better ODI player Seamer. Hayden is primarily a test player and is okay at ODI level. But Clarke is having a purple patch, is the better player, and until Haydos works his way back into form i stand my ground.

[vvvrulz]

I fully agree with that.