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[acker]

reaction time- only a miniscule ammount


it only takes a small fraction of a second in reaction time for the bat or the feet to get to where they are supposed to go, or not making it.
unfortunately age does not help your cause RE: Hayden and possibly Martyn and Gilly.

Bowling Gillespie used to trouble batsmen bowling at 140 kph + unfortunately at around 130 kph he is pretty harmless likewise Kasprowicz

[flanflinger]

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/pakis...ry/218834.html

Seems like the Second String have given themselves alot of work to do...

Apparently Trevor Hohns is going to Pakistan straight after the Oval Test...

[Beny]

Acker,

A persons reaction time does'nt just magicly decrease once a person hits thirty, it's directly tied in to how healthy the person is.

Bowling Gillespie used to trouble batsmen bowling at 140 kph + unfortunately at around 130 kph he is pretty harmless likewise Kasprowicz

Gross Oversimplification based on the results of one series... Meanwhile, in McGrath land.

[acker]

Beny it might be an over simplification but unfortunately neither Gillespie and Kasprowicz resembled experienced international bowlers, Tait I can forgive (only just stating his carreer); Lee got some wickets; but if I recall correctly Gillespie got 2-3 wickets in 3 tests, and Kasprowicz got about 5 in 2 tests: Hardly what you would expect from seasoned seamer come swing bowlers in conducive England.
I can understand the Australian selectors bringing one of them, but not both. Form suggested that Nathan Bracken should have made the tour and Mick Lewis or Mathew Nicholson should have been considered.
I wont pin the age factor on any one of our players (in particular our batsmen). But I will say we just had to many to old, and unfortunately our youngster "Clarke" is partially incapacitated (back) so we did not have a wippet young Ricky Ponting like character in the feild; we just had a bunch of 30 odd year olds who's best feilding days are behind them. In hindsight I wish we had of included another young batsmen, even if it was Shane Watson.
Why do we have to pick only a sqaud of 14 or 15 players to go on an Ashes tour. Surely we would have been better off picking another 3-4 players perhaps Cameron White, Shane Watson, Nathan Bracken and considering the need for quick runs in the final test perhaps Andrew Symonds added to our existing squad.
Then we would'nt need to look like we were desperate and dateless by naming an undeserving player such as Stuart Clark as coverage for an injured Glenn McGrath.

[Beny]

Gillespie deserved his chance given his proformences.

As for the fielding... Were we watching the same test? Australia were electric in the field- certinly better than their younger, less fit english counterparts.

I suggest we stop making arguments based on what has generaly happened when other players get old and start looking at the facts... Here we go. Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne, when both fit were absolutly class and tore through England. 35 year old Shane Warne was brilliant, possibly man of the series. Justin Langer was arguably our best batsmen and he is no youngan at nearly 35 years of age. Your suggested replacments of Nathan Bracken (28), Andrew Symonds (30) and Michael Lewis (31) dont have the records to warrant their selection over Jason Gillespie (30).

You tout Brett Lee (nearly 29) and Brad Hodge (30) as long term prospects yet slagg off Simon Katich (30) and Martyn (33)...

You talk about Cameron White who had an awful season last summer, and Shane Watson who is a dammed awfull bowler and only a very good, not yet world class batsmen, as taking the spots of proven veterens.

All I ask for is a bit of common sense.

[acker]

Bejeezus Beny, how many failures do these guy's need to have prior to being axed. Gillespie should have went after or during the Kiwi series and the question should have been asked had Kasper done enough.
At best both of those guys were going to be fringe players.
Trevor Hohns and his we will upturn a "Dutchy Holland" attitude is not the leader of selector's that a 21st century Australia needs.
The guy seems to concentrate to heavily on what "might" be, rather than playing the numbers and making an educated decision of what "should" be.
The sooner the ACB ditch the guy the better for Australia.
And honestly how on earth do you compere what Hayden, Martyn, Katich, etc done against lesser opposition to what White and Watson did against a stronger domestic side.
Your attitude typifies the malaise that Australian test cricket finds itself in ! players have to find a way to get themselves out of the team rather than perform and beat peer's to get in it.
Like Hayden's 380 against Zimbabwe, the StKilda reserves would have been a more formidable opponent. At the end of the day like his over-slow 5th test innings it means nothing other than a self satisfying stat for him.
Any tool can hang around the crease without hardly troubling the scorer when the opposition captain is just playing for a draw. Vaughan would have loved having the self soft centered Hayden blocking his way to personal self achievement at the expense of his team-mates and his nation's pride.
I hope the ACB terminates his contract>>

[Beny]

The guy seems to concentrate to heavily on what "might" be, rather than playing the numbers and making an educated decision of what "should" be.

You mean like Hodge 'might' be and Martyn 'Is'?

And honestly how on earth do you compere what Hayden, Martyn, Katich, etc done against lesser opposition to what White and Watson did against a stronger domestic side.

Just out of interest, what has White done?

You'll notice that the three guys you've mentioned above smashed domestic attacks all around the park... All three average over 50 in FC cricket.
In any case are you suggesting that a SA attack comprising Donald, Pollick, Nittini and Hayward. A Pakistani attack comprising Aktar, Akram, younis and Mustaque. An Indian attack comrpising Singh and Kumble and a WI attack that still had Walsh... Are these guys worse than WA? Methinks not!

As for Hayden being selfish... Well, some people just seem to enjoy critisizing based on no facts. I dont think that ensuring that you score runs, rather than swinging wildly at the ball, is being selfish.

[Irish Left Armer]

Hayden's innings was a fine one for Australia. When you're looking to make 600 (as Aus were) it's not about scoring at 5 an over all the time. It's about not losing wickets and laying foundations for rest of the side. I thought he and Langer did a magnificent job.

The Aussies fell down because they were forced to bat in atrocious light against fine bowling with a new ball. In other circumstances Hayden's innings would possibly be remembered as the rock that set the Aussies incredible fightback in motion.

Still think he should probably be dropped mind.