Who is Australia's most talented youngster. (Under 25)

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

[color=black]No I’m say that your players that are 28 and 29 at the moment wont play over 30 years of age. Obviously you do not rate them to be good enough to play test cricket at ages 30+.

Far from it, I just see the volume of Cricket that is played these days will burn out players. I agree that there are many great players over 30+, but there is inevitable decline in performance, and players will eventually retire.

I also feel we (England) have a potential golden generation of talent coming through, I feel that Australia's golden generation is behind them, but these things are cyclical..

The title of this thread is about new young Australian talent, the problem is many of them may not experienced Test Cricket till they are in their late twenties. Relying too much on older players will postpone problems

Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Gilchrist, Ponting, McGrath, MacGill, Lee, MacGill, Clark (Stuart), Warne and even Hussey may not be playing Test Cricket in 5 years, but the guys talked about in the poll in this thread will, but they may lack the exprince of the England boys (Like Bell, Cook, Panesar, Pietersen, Mahmood, Anderson and Plunkett) who have been around for 5 years IMO....

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Australia's golden generation is behind them,.

It is coming to an end in any case. This generation not only dominated cricket, but enjoyed enormous success across the whold sporting spectrum including being in the top 10 Olympic nations last three Summer Olympics running. And in many cases, these 35yo guys are still the best Australia can put on the field.

Originally Posted by flanflinger

I also feel we (England) have a potential golden generation of talent coming through.

I don't think either of us have any "great" players coming through to be honest (except perhaps Pietersen) I actually forsee an golden era of close fought Ashes series for the next decade at least. Eng and Aus will be pretty even in player quality IMO when the next generation comes through.

[Quagmire]

If the players over 30 years are declining so badly why are nearly ever single player in the top 10 of both batting and bowling rankings in both test and oneday cricket over 30 years of age?

Oh yeah I player I would vote for on the list is Tim Paine Wicketkeeper batsman for Tasmania 22 years if age averaging over 45 whilst opening the batting. The next Gilchrist maybe better

[flanflinger]

Quagmire,

I am not saying that their performance is declining, what I am saying is that the Aussies selectors will need to do something soon to prevent performances tailing off. I am also stating that even if the Aussies do win this year, using the old guard, it will be at the expense of future victories.

The fact is that in 94-95 the Australian A team was better than most first choice teams. http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/19...C94-JAN95.html

Many of those players are still playing today. But ten years later, the A team is probably on a par with most other teams. This is what I mean by a golden generation, there is not the same pool of talent pushing for places.

So the old guys get extended runs, but the fact is that these guys will not be playing in 5 years time, and if you don't find ways of getting a mix of old and new, you will have a period of old, which could end abruptly with retirements, followed by a long period of new (and inexperienced)

If you do win both the Ashes and the World Cup this year, how many players do you think will be thinking "It can't get any better than this" and announce their retirement. In English Rugby we were told that winning the world cup would not bring about retirements, but just a year later over half the team had done just that!!

The fact is that unless Australia find places soon or Jaques, Cosgove, Cullen and Johnson, (and taht may mean dropping Martyn, Hayden, Clark etc) then the future (not the present) will be a troubled one.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Tim Paine Wicketkeeper batsman for Tasmania 22 years if age averaging over 45 whilst opening the batting. The next Gilchrist maybe better

He may be better, but he won't get selected until after Haddin and Gilchrist have gone, by which time he will be 27-28?? This is my point, when Gilchrist goes will they choose this new keeper or will they go for some older player??

[Quagmire]

Well Haddin is not exactly a spring chicken, I would imagine he would get I go if he continues to perform in the domestic competitions. I agree that soon they have to start playing introducing young guns like Cosgrove & Birt into the mix but at the moment there just is not a place for them. The older players are just better because they have so much experience, not just in Australia but all over the world. The Australian side has been testing these guys out in the one day competitions and against poor test playing nations. Im looking forward to seeing the Prime Ministers XI against England on Friday, just to have a good look at some of the young Australian talent compeating with a top test side. Gillespie was to captain the side but has pulled out with a shoulder injury and Brett Dorey will replace him which means Cameron White will be captaining the side.

Prime Minister's XI Phil Jaques (NSW), Mark Cosgrove (SA), Tim Paine (Tas), Travis Birt (Tas), Adam Voges (WA), Shaun Marsh (WA), Cameron White (Vic, Captain), Brett Dorey (WA), Ben Hilfenhaus (Tas), Adam Ritchard (ACT), Shaun Tait (SA), Mark Divin (ACT, 12th man).

Young Players to watch
Mark Cosgrove
Tim Paine
Trivis Birt
Ben Hilfenhaus
Shaun Tate
Cameron White

[Rachael]

Well, England's young buck Bell has made three on this list of Aussie young guns look like complete muppets today: Tait, Bailey and Cullen have been absolutely carted... and I doubt it will come as a surprise to anyone that Gillespie returned figures that must still seem just an impossible dream for the youngsters.

For details see http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/austr...ch/249220.html

 Bowling	O	M	R	W	Econ	
SW Tait		19.4	4	65	3	3.30	(9nb, 5w)
JN Gillespie	19	7	27	2	1.42	(1nb)
CB Bailey	23	0	98	1	4.26	
DJ Harris	13.2	7	24	0	1.80	
DJ Cullen	20	2	84	0	4.20	
MJ Cosgrove	1	0	3	0	3.00

The youngsters obviously have time on their side and may well improve.... but let's hope the shorter-term promise lies elsewhere!

ps. There's a decent write up of the day's play here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...8/ucengl18.xml

[Mr Hutt]

I think age is not a factor, performence is.

Warne has written a column on timesonline.co.uk to this effect.

I agree with him, if the Dads army as it is called can perform, then they deserve to play, if they cant then the young bucks can come in and try to take up the mantle.

I think Tate is a good prospect and Johnson i dont know what age they are though and it does not matter.

by the way... R yr young buck made a 0 the previous match, now that he has made a 100 he is suddenly the shining light? knee jerk reactions aplenty.

[acker]

I voted for Cameron White, because he allready seems to have been around for years but is continuing to improve with both bat and ball. And I dont think he is very far behind Shane Watson for a national spot.

[KennyG]

White should replace B.Hogg in the one day side but is he good enough for the test team?
Would they play 2 bits and pieces players like Watson and White?
I think White should concintrate more on his bowling to improve his chances.