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| Its hard to agree/disagree with a list which is obviously his very personal view on how he perceived the people he played with and against. There's an obvious skew towards people he spent most time playing with or against. I'm sure sub-continental viewers out there will point towards there being a significant bias towards Aus-Eng-WI, but too be honest Australia and the West Indies have been the dominant sides through his career and England has been the biggest 'match up' so to speak. Personally speaking, I find Waqar and Donald too low and can't help thinking Harmison, Mark Waugh, Lee and Merv Hughes are too high. I like the fact that he's tried to rebalance the history books somewhat with respect to Steve Waugh - a great player, but not as good a batsman as Ponting and not as good a tactician as Taylor or Border. Some of his lower down selections I find a bit unbelievable - Robin Smith (obvious Hampshire bias there), there must be a better bat than Jamie Siddons out there (Ganguly, Chanderpaul?). As I say though, the unquantifiable 'part' out there is how much these people influenced Warne or left an effect on him - something we obviously can't measure but something he has found or found lacking in the names I've mentioned. |
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| There's 1 english any more ppl |
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| This a list of who he thinks is the best players, no obviously the players he plays with will get into the side ahead of players he hasnt just plainly because he sees more of them and that just means he sees the best of them. Tendulkar was the one batsman that was able to destroy Warne and thats why he is number 1. Steve Waugh is around where he should be and so is Darren Lehmann who never got a fair go as an Australian player because of little things that shouldnt matter.
__________________ Bill Ponsford - The only one who could play in Bradman’s company and make it a duet. |
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| No Laxman is a surprise after what he did to Australia in 2001. |
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| What's clear from this list is that Warne is unduly influenced by character, persona and "presence": he acknowledges talent in picks like Mark Waugh, Tim May and Darren Berry... but Flintoff, Smith and Stewart (amongst others) don't belong in this company.. and rating Hayden above Justin Langer (and mentioning either above Damien Martyn) is just as bizarre as considering Lee as more deserving of a place on the list than Caddick, Hoggard, Collymore, Vaas or Gillespie. I admire Warne hugely... but this list says more about Warne than it does of the relative merits of the players his played against / alongside. |
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| Well it all comes down to personal opinion, Darren Berry was said to be the best pure wicketkeeper in the world and the wicket keeper for Warnes stateside Victoria so Warne would know as good as anyone the ability that he has with the gloves. Racheal your hate for Hayden is ridiculous, the man is a champion of the game and the undoubtably the best modern day opening batsman. Hayden and Langer have both been great opening batsman but Hayden has been more successful than Langer in a sorter span of time. Hayden - 89 mat, 7739 runs at 53.00, 27x100, 27x50, Hs 380 Langer - 105 mat, 7696 runs at 45.27, 23x100, 30x50, Hs 250 Gillespie and Vaas I would have expected to have been in the side, im not sure about Caddick, Collymore and Hoggard. I think Lee gets into the rankings manly based on his ODI career which is one of the best. He is also third on Australia's alltime highest ODI wicket takers behind just Warne and McGrath combined with his 231 test wickets and his batting average of 21.11 in tests and 18.02 in ODI's. I also think that there is alot of respect from Warne to Lee because of the amount of heart he shows and his work ethic. Lee ODI career 150 mat, 267 wickets at 22.65, 6-5wi, 11-wi, bb 5/22 Im suprised that he rank MacGill as low as he did but it might just be a leg spinner thing. Players that have played well against him are going to get into the side ahead of players that played bad against him but were still great players that were successful against other nations. Bowlers that got Warnes wicket on the most occasions in tests Vettori - 9 Bishop - 8 Walsh - 6 Kumble - 6 Caddick - 6 Gough - 5 Flintoff - 5 Harbhajan Singh - 5 Ambrose - 5 Pollock - 5 Donald - 4 Fraser - 4 Bowlers that took Warnes wicket on the most occasions in ODI's Pollock - 4 Afridi - 3 Vaas - 3 Prasad - 3 Kumble - 3 Cairns - 3 Harris - 2 Mushtaq - 2 Klusener - 2 De Villiers - 2 Boje - 2 Muralitharan - 2 Batsman most dismissed by Warne in test cricket Stewart - 14 Hussain - 11 Prince - 11 Atherton - 10 Thorpe - 9 Giles - 9 Boucher - 9 Harmison - 9 Strauss - 8 Trescothick - 8 Dravid - 8 McMillian - 8 David Richardson - 8 Cronje - 8 Caddick - 8 Batsman most dismissed by Warne in ODI's Cullinan - 8 Cronje - 7 Ul-haq - 6 McMillian - 6 Rhodes - 6 Adams - 5 Kallis - 5 Now look at the top batsman in the list he played against in the top 25
__________________ Bill Ponsford - The only one who could play in Bradman’s company and make it a duet. |
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| Shane Warne's list of greatest cricketers 1 Sachin Tendulkar 2 Brian Lara 3 Curtly Ambrose 4 Allan Border 5 Glenn McGrath 6 Wasim Akram 7 Muttiah Muralitharan 8 Ricky Ponting 9 Mark Taylor 10 Ian Healy 11 Courtney Walsh 12 Mark Waugh 13 Anil Kumble 14 Rahul Dravid 15 Graham Gooch 16 Andrew Flintoff 17 Matthew Hayden 18 Merv Hughes 19 Aravinda de Silva 20 Adam Gilchrist 21 David Boon 22 Martin Crowe 23 Stephen Fleming 24 Brett Lee 25 Darren Lehmann 26 Steve Waugh 27 Jacques Kallis/ Shaun Pollock 28 Saeed Anwar/ Mohammad Yousuf 29 Shoaib Akhtar/ Craig McDermott 30 Kevin Pietersen 31 Tim May 32 Robin Smith 33 Allan Donald 34 Bruce Reid 35 Michael Vaughan 36 Andy Flower 37 Stephen Harmison 38 Sanath Jayasuriya 39 Stuart MacGill 40 Kapil Dev 41 Justin Langer 42 Ravi Shastri 43 Michael Atherton 44 Alec Stewart 45 Waqar Younis 46 Dilip Vengsarkar 47 Chris Cairns 48 Brian McMillan 49 Darren Berry 50 Jamie Siddons He certainly put some of his drinking buddies in there. I made Merv 3 times bigger than the rest because he drinks 3 times more, maybe with exeption to Booney. I shrank Magilla to half size because I think he is a Warney token selection. |
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| Warnie was never a great buddy of Steve Waugh, mentality wise they are poles apart. It is absolutely unfair to have Steve Waugh so much down the list. Gilchrist also. It's about personal choices, but Darren Lehmann ahead of Steve & Gilly? That's not acceptable. |
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