Pietersen is scared of fast bouncers

[Statto]

I dont think anyone died in the bodyline series did they? One person got hit on the head while facing orthadox bowling and an orthadox off side field, and later admitted he "walked into it". All in all as many if not more people were injured facing the great west indian teams in the 1970's and 1980's so why isn't that "vicious"?

[sanketh84]

Nothing can justify the motive to injure a person with bodyline bowling Statto... Gubby Allen,Bob Wyatt the vice captain among a host of others were against it. the strategy was devised that if the batsmen didn't take evasive action, he would be injured or incase he managed to hit it, 9 times out of 10 he would give an easy catch to the packed leg-side field .I probably didn't get my facts right ...ur correct, Oldfield fractured his skull and didn't die, I thought he died coz I read somewhere that Jardine apologized to oldfield's wife . When it comes to west-indian bowlers, I think their intention was to make the batsmen play and discover their flaws while facing the short ball and not intentionally injure them. it ultimately comes down to the spirit of using a certain strategy which more important.
maybe there could be rivalry between south bed mikey and acker but instigating ill feelings... raking up the sensitive bodyline issue is not the right way to go about it, anyway it happened such a long time ago wonder why people keep going back to it every time. i wouldn't have reacted if mikey made fun of the australian players ability(or inability??) of playing the short ball without reference to bodyline.

[south beds mikey]

OK Sanketh

A few points here. Firstly you are correct that Allen objected to the tactic however Wyatt certainly did not indeed he took the credit for setting the first intensive leg side field at the Oval on a damp pitch a couple of years earlier when Bradman was facing Larwood. A series which I should point out Bradman slaughtered the English bowling scoring nearly 1000 runs!!

I bring the point up because this originally appeared because an Australian questioned the techique of an English batsman against a short ball bowled by a Sri Lankan!!

On a point of fact the 2 players injuries (Oldfield and Woodfull) were quite different; neither of which occurred when the leg side field was in place incidentally. Oldfield went hooking in fact and got a top edge which hit on the his right temple, not the side facing the bowler but it was quite a nasty one. No where near as nasty as many many others I could mention however. The Wodfull one was way diffeent as he was only hit in the ribs and would indeed have only been hit around the thigh if he had not been in the process of ducking. On that injury Larwood himself said and I quote " I have seen people get it worse than that and just give it a rub and carry on."

The truth is the tactic was invented as a method to combat the brilliance of Bradman; it worked and England won the Ashes.

Lastly I object in the strongest possible terms to the labelling of Jardine as nasty. He came up with a winning tactical plan and should be commended in the strongest possible terms IMO.

There is much more I could add on this bodyline subject as i feel its one of the most interesting series in the history of our great game but I'll leave it there for now.

PS as for the rivalry between me and Acker thats a bit of an unfair contest as he is by far my intellectual superior and has bested me on a number of our debates but I live in hope I might get him one day!! Roll on 2009!!

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by south beds mikey

PS as for the rivalry between me and Acker thats a bit of an unfair contest as he is by far my intellectual superior and has bested me on a number of our debates but I live in hope I might get him one day!! Roll on 2009!!

Where was this? On this board? Do tell....

[sanketh84]

well mikey my labelling of Jardine as 'nasty' may have been heavily influenced by my earliest memories of bodyline controversy being the television series Bodyline where Hugo Weaving played Jardine(Hugo Weaving is the Mr.Smith of The Matrix series) and it showed jardine and his england side in bad light glorifying the australians. well bodyline is a long standing controversy, u say that jardine should be commended for coming up with a winning strategy, i think otherwise like a lot of people at that time. the controversy has been much talked about and debated and very interesting and my opinions on this subject r not gonna change however convincing u might be mikey
it is intriguing why acker decided to have this thread here in the aussie forum about an england player being scared of a srilankan bowler. but i am really looking forward to the 2009 ashes series and the intense rivalry.

[south beds mikey]

I wouldn't take too much notice of that TV programme if I were you Sanky as it was produced in Australia and so does have a bit of bias as well as a stack of factual innaccuracies (I watched it too and still found it very entertaining, there's quite a bit of it Youtube and is well worth a look).

I hear they are making a film on the 32/33 series called "The Bloody Ashes" I think produced in Australia and starring Russell Crowe. We'll see if that's a bit more balanced but won't be holding my breath


I respect your point on the tactic and as you say you are not alone in your opinion so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that one!!

Good points and good debate in the best traditions of this forum.

[cantplaycantalk]

Dougles Jardine a nasty cricketer??? LOL after the way Lillee and Thompson dealt with the world in general and then the way the West Indians did for a couple of generations. I do seem to remember an umbrella field with next to nobody in front of the bat.
So mate Jardine was just ahead of his time, and as soon as Australia had the bowlers to use similar tactics they immediately lost any problems with the use of the fast short ball. However unlike the Aussies the English didn't immediately start whinging about the tactics not being fair and demanding an appology.

Still as Shaun Tait seems to have had a bit of a breakdown and won't be a threat to anyone much that pace line up is now just Lee and Johnson who at the moment don't look too threatening. To be fair the best bowler in the Aussie team by a wide margin looks to be Clark

So Hogg retired, Warne retired, McGill injured and near retirement so the spin options look a bit thin.
What are the options beyond those three? Clarke or White?

[*Jonty*]

Originally Posted by acker

Lasith Malinga showed in Kevin Pietersen's breif innings against him at Galle that thier is a bit of a yellow streak running down the back of this batsman when facing the real quick short stuff.

I hope the selectors and Brett Lee, Shuan Tait and Mitchell Johnson take note of this for the next ashes series.

Pietersen's jumping gloved dismismal from the Malinga bouncer showed fear.

He will get no respite when our bowlers see the frightened whites of his eyes peering through his helmut.

Until his head turns away from the ball of course.

I don't think Australia,or any other top class side has any fears about Petraitorsen now, he is way past his best,just one good season (2005) and since then everything has gone down the drain for him.
it couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke!!!...remembering the famous self quote he once came out with?


I really lack the words to compliment myself today.Kevin Pietersen

[acker]

Geez

It was not intimidatory bowling that got him today, just a very poor decision.

I just hope Lee is still bowling around 150 kph and Johnson likewise in the middle of next year, because as I mentioned earlier in this post I dont think Peitersen likes the real quick short stuff and we have two very fast bowlers that can hit him from both ends.

No escape.

[acker]

Originally Posted by south beds mikey

I hear they are making a film on the 32/33 series called "The Bloody Ashes" I think produced in Australia and starring Russell Crowe. We'll see if that's a bit more balanced but won't be holding my breath

Please dont kick us to hard "mikey" we are an actor down because of you know who RIP quietly thankfully eventualy.

But apparently for certain

R.Crowe : W. Woodfull
H.Vallance : Mrs W. Woodfull

and a big rumour

O.Bloom : D.Jardine