Hayden's 30

[acker]

Originally Posted by greg

One surprising thing about Hayden is the fact that he has only passed 150 on 5 occasions out of the 30 times he has got a hundred.I would have thought he would do it more often than that.

Perhaps he gets bored?

Funny thing Greg.

I noticed during Sehwag's fantastic innings of 151 in the 2nd innings at Adelaide that after he got past 100 he slowed to a walk.

Getting a test hundred must be fairly draining, even in this day and age.

Jason Gillespie 200+ in Bangladesh

[sanketh84]

yeah milo...its probably unfair as u say to compare the cricketers of one generation with another....its like saying people like sachin, ponting,lara are better than don bradman as they have more centuries. i guess in 50 years time things may change as u said. but do u notice one thing that in the 50 years or so after bradman has retired that no player has even able to come close to his average of almost 100? i guess the batsman like viv richards, sachin, lara etc will be remembered for some aspect similar and ofcourse technique. do u remember how don bradman said sachin's technique was similar to his? i think its impossible to play cricket very long without technique. with hayden too i think its the consistency of a hundred every 3 matches that i admire more than the number 30!!!
i sorta agree that the amount of cricket played by the cricketers in the past and present is the same. people in the past played a lot more domestic cricket. but i've heard a lot of past players say that the rigors of international cricket is much worse than domestic cricket. also its said that One-dayers take a heavy toll on the body...isn't that the reason players like waugh and kumble retired from one days to prolong test career?? so in the past people played much less one dayers helping some people to play even till their 40's.
u may say that the technology of training and sports medicine is far advanced now and that makes my points about injuries spurious. but that increased technology should decrease the number of injuries to players all over the world, is that true??i think that the recovery times have decreased but the number of injuries have remained the same or even probably increased a bit. i really do think nothing can be taken away from modern day cricketers or the past players both are gr8 in their own right.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by Milo

Next thing, people will start telling me that Marcus Trescothick is as good an opening batsman as Gordon Greendige because they both average about 44.

I am glad that you mentioned this because I do think those two batsmen are comparable despite Greenidge's fluency and Trescothik's ugly style. If Trescothick had not been battling his personal demons (which go back quite a long way, I understand), his batting record might have been better than it is. He never looked attractive while batting, but has been effective on more than one occasion. I think his early fade-out of international cricket is an important loss for England.

Curiously, Trescothick's approach to batting was not unlike that of Hayden (I am not talking about technique or style) ie an attempt to dominate the bowlers by his presence.

[Quagmire]

Gordon Greenidge and Matthew Hayden have been able to intimidate oppositions and bully them into bowling badly. Both those men have won many more games for there country than Trescothick.

[Warne]

Originally Posted by sanketh84

....its like saying people like sachin, ponting,lara are better than don bradman as they have more centuries. i

Yeah, more centuries, but in twice as many matches(in case of Tendulkar & Lara, even more). No sane person will say that they were better than Bradman.99.94 is cricket's holy number.

[Quagmire]

Ok lets look at it this way then, out of the current batsman in the world lets look at how he stands.

Highest Averages (Current Playes, 30 innings)

1. Michael Hussey 78.14
2. Ricky Ponting 58.24
3. Jaques Kallis 58.11
4. Kumar Sangakkara 56.37
5. Sachin Tendulkar 55.58
6. Mohammod Yousuf 55.49
7. Rahul Dravid 55.11
8. Matthew Hayden 53.32

Hayden is the highest averaging opening batsman in the world. To average over 50 opening the batting is an amazing achievment. Hayden

Highest Individual Innings of all time

1. Brain Lara - 400*
2. Matthew Hayden 380

People discredit his innings because it was against Zimbabwe but 380 against only opposition is an amazing achievment

Best Scoring Rates (Current Players, over 3000 runs)

1. Adam Gilchrist - 81.96 - 5570 runs
2. Virenda Sehwag - 74.85 - 4441 runs
3. Kevin Pietersen - 64.66 - 3024 runs
4. Andrew Flintoff - 64.17 - 3381 runs
5. Habibul Bashar - 60.39 - 3013 runs
6. Matthew Hayden - 60.13 - 8242 runs

On that list he has the highest batting average and the most test runs, for an opening batsman Sehwag and Hayden have done an amazing effort to score as quickly as they do.

Highest Series Aggregates (current player)

1. Yousuf - 3 tests, 665 runs at 133.00 vs WI
2. Younis Khan - 3 tests, 553 runs at 110.60 vs Ind
3. Hayden - 3 tests, 549 runs at 109.80 vs Ind

Hayden and Younis Khan are the only two men in test history to score more that 500 runs twice in a series. The second time Hayden did it in in two test from three innings and averaged 250.50

Highest averages in the first innings (current players)

1. Sachin Tendulkar - 74.00
2. Ricky Ponting - 68.69
3. Rahul Dravid - 61.87
4. Matthew Hayden - 59.55

Most times a players scored over 1000 runs in a calender year

1. Hayden* & Lara* - 5 times
2. Ponting*, Gavaskar, Kallis*, & Tendulkar* - 4 times

Most 50 to 100 conversion rates

1. Bradman - 29x100, 13x50 -69.05
2. Headley - 10x100, 5x50 - 66.67
3. Ponsford - 7x100, 6x50 - 53.85
4. Ames - 8x100, 7x50 - 53.33
5. Hayden - 30x100, 27x50 - 52.63 *

Most Test Centuries Ever

1. Tendulkar* - 39 (146 tests)
2. Lara - 34 (131 tests)
3. Gavaskar (125 tests) & Ponting* (116 tests) - 34
4. Steve Waugh - 32 (168 tests)
5. Hayden* - 30 (94 tests)

Also out of the current players only Michael Hussey has a better innings to century rate and on the all time scale Hayden is 8th.

[Ninjaman]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Hayden and Younis Khan are the only two men in test history to score more that 500 runs twice in a series. The second time Hayden did it in in two test from three innings and averaged 250.50

In Test history?

Are you sure?

The likes of Bradman, Lara and a few others can do better than that.

[Nostromo]

Gavaskar passed 700 runs twice on two separate tours of the West Indies, if I remember correctly. Scores of batsmen have passed 500 more than once in a Test series.

[Quagmire]

Sorry I forgot to write in a three test series.