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Old 11-09-2007, 09:43 AM in reply to Quagmire's post starting "Is there any way you can change your..."
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Not that I'm aware of.

Just had another thought regarding Kealy's lack of penetration this season - that could be down to his individual orders. On the match orders page, can you remember what bowling orders he's on, and whether you've tried anything different? It could be that he prefers defensive orders, for example, or a specific spot in the bowling order. Basically, it might boil down to you needing to experiment with him a little.

Other than that... with maybe one more really good player you should be looking at finishing in the top half of your division next year.
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Thanks heaps that will help, so players that are naturally defensive you want to put there bowling type as desfencive or natural and aggresive players you want to be attacking. I have been bowling him fourth in five over stints. might change things up when he is back and not exhusted. I also bought a player that I think I can work with to make him into a decent allrounder.

Here are my players under the age of 21, just wondering if there is any advice in building them up to perform once they hit there prime.

Lewis Thornely - 17 yo, BT Rating = 8,195 (£798 p/w)
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, strong batting form, superb bowling form, lively
A cautious player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Stamina: Abysmal, Batting: Proficient Bowling: Mediocre, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Feeble, Consistency: Mediocre

OD
Batting
Season: 11 mat, 11 inn, 174 runs at 15.82, Sr 63.74, Hs 34, 0x50's 0x100
Career: 11 mat, 11 inn, 174 runs at 15.82, Sr 63.74, Hs 34, 0x50's 0x100

BT20
Batting
Season: 7 mat, 5 inn, 82 runs at 27.33, Sr 178.26, Hs 43, 0x50, 0x100
Career: 7 mat, 5 inn, 82 runs at 27.33, Sr 178.26, Hs 43, 0x50, 0x100

NEW PLAYER

Pete Nkosi - 17 yo, BT Rating = 5,203. (£832p/w)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, respectable batting form, respectable bowling form, lively
A steady player with competent leadership skills and worthless experience.

Stamina: Competent, Batting: Mediocre Bowling: Respectable, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Abysmal, Consistency: Abysmal

NO MATCHES PLAYED

Jason Kealey - 18 yo, BT Rating = 25,747. (£2,540 p/w)
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, strong bowling form, drained
A cautious player with superb leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Stamina: Mediocre, Batting: Worthless Bowling: Superb, Fielding: Competant, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Competant, Consistency: Superb

OD
Bowling
Season: 82 overs, 2 wickets at 275.50, Sr 251.50, Econ 6.72, Best 1-66, 0x5wi
Career: 188 overs, 6 wickets at 200.33, Sr 190.17, Econ 6.39, Best 2-66, 0x5wi

BT20
Bowling
Season: 19 overs, 0 wickets, 185 runs, Econ 9.74, best 0-17
Career: 30 overs, 0 wickets, 337 runs, Econ 11.23, best 0-17

Kieren Henshaw - 18yo, BT Rating 12,300 (£1,231 p /w) (WK)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, invigorated
An attacking player, with strong leadership skills and abysmal experience

Stamina: Mediocre, Batting: Proficient Bowling: Mediocre, Fielding: Worthless, WK: Proficient, Concentration: Woeful, Consistency: Abysmal

OD
Batting
Season: 14 mat, 14 inn, 236 runs at 18.15, Sr 59.00, Hs 53, 1x50, 0x100, 10 catches, 1 stumping
Career: 17 mat, 16 inn, 358 runs at 25.57, Sr 68.32, Hs 115, 1x50, 1x100, 10 catches, 1 stumping

BT20
Season: 7 mat, 5 inn, 100 runs at 33.33, SR 133.33, Hs 38*, 6 catches, 1 stumping
Career: 10 mat, 6 inn, 100 runs at 25.00, Sr 129.87, SH 38*, 6 catches 1 stumping

Vic Kewell - 20 yo, BT Rating 18,382. (£802 p/w)
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, Lively
An cautious player, with abysmal leadership skills and abysmal experience

Stamina: Respectable, Batting: Competent Bowling: Respectable, Fielding: Competent, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Proficient, Consistency: Respectable

OD
Batting
Season: 14 mat, 13 inn, 195 runs at 17.73, Sr 69.89, Hs 37*
Career: 28 mat, 27 inn, 430 runs at 19.55, Sr 78.18, Hs 49

Bowling
Season: 64 overs, 14 wickets at 19.07, Sr 27.79, Econ 4.17, Best 4-22,
Career: 122 overs, 25 wickets at 22.28, Sr 29.56, Econ 4.57, Best 5-19, 1x5wi

BT20
Batting
Season: 7 mat, 3 inn, 26 runs at 26.00, Sr 108.33, Hs 10
Career: 10 mat, 6 inn, 178 runs at 89.00, Sr 172.82, Hs 61, 2x50

Bowling
Season: 24 overs, 6 wickets at 34.17, Sr 24.00, Econ 8.54, Best 2-34
Career: 35 overs, 10 wickets at 30.90, Sr 21.00, Econ 8.83, Best 3-43

Jermain Peters - 20 yo, BT Rating 11,194. (£2268 p/w)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, strong batting form, superb bowling form, invigorated
A steady player with strong leadership skills and feeble experience

Stamina: Feeble, Batting: Wothless Bowling: Superb, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Worthless, Consistency: Woeful

OD
Bowling
Season: 82 overs, 23 wickets at 17.70, Sr 21.70, Econ 4.96, Best 6-39, 2x5wi
Career: 226 overs, 33 wickets at 39.52, Sr 41.39, Econ 5.77, Best 6-39, 2x5wi

BT20
Bowling
Season: 20 overs, 9 wickets at 19.00, Sr 13.78, Econ 8.55, Best 4-9
Career : 28 overs, 11 wickets at 20.55, Sr 15.64, Econ 8.07, Best 4-9

Just a couple of questions no net sessions, what sort of set up should I have and how should have certain training session and at what intensity?
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Thanks heaps that will help, so players that are naturally defensive you want to put there bowling type as desfencive or natural and aggresive players you want to be attacking. I have been bowling him fourth in five over stints. might change things up when he is back and not exhusted.
Hmm... wish it were that simple. To take an example from my team; my youth pull from the start of the season (Ince) is naturally a cautious player, yet I've discovered him to be at his best batting #2 and on aggressive batting orders. As a result he averaged 41 in a very difficult OD level V, and averaged 258 in the BT20 this year.

Just to point out before I start the next bit; if I say competant/mediocre batting, it means competant batting/mediocre concentration, seeing as they go in pairs. Likewise, competant/mediocre bowling = competant bowling/mediocre consistancy.
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Lewis Thornely - 17 yo, BT Rating = 8,195 (£798 p/w)
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, strong batting form, superb bowling form, lively
A cautious player with mediocre leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Stamina: Abysmal, Batting: Proficient Bowling: Mediocre, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Feeble, Consistency: Mediocre
With nets could be very good (in fact, had he been trained from that point at the start of the season he could have been superb/consistant batting at worst, with respectable/respectable bowling). I'd stick him on nets asap.

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Pete Nkosi - 17 yo, BT Rating = 5,203. (£832p/w)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, respectable batting form, respectable bowling form, lively
A steady player with competent leadership skills and worthless experience.

Stamina: Competent, Batting: Mediocre Bowling: Respectable, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Abysmal, Consistency: Abysmal
No secondaries (consistancy/concentration); however might be useful as a second string player now FC has come in.

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Jason Kealey - 18 yo, BT Rating = 25,747. (£2,540 p/w)
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, strong bowling form, drained
A cautious player with superb leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Stamina: Mediocre, Batting: Worthless Bowling: Superb, Fielding: Competant, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Competant, Consistency: Superb
Best player. Hands down. Probably worth around a million, if not more, if you were in a selling mood - out of my price range!

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Kieren Henshaw - 18yo, BT Rating 12,300 (£1,231 p /w) (WK)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, invigorated
An attacking player, with strong leadership skills and abysmal experience

Stamina: Mediocre, Batting: Proficient Bowling: Mediocre, Fielding: Worthless, WK: Proficient, Concentration: Woeful, Consistency: Abysmal
Not a bad keeper-batsman. However, he needs to stay on wicketkeeping and fielding nets to improve his secondaries - he needs both as a wicketkeeper. A few pops in concentration would help his batting along as well.

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Vic Kewell - 20 yo, BT Rating 18,382. (£802 p/w)
LH Batsman, LH Spin Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, Lively
An cautious player, with abysmal leadership skills and abysmal experience

Stamina: Respectable, Batting: Competent Bowling: Respectable, Fielding: Competent, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Proficient, Consistency: Respectable
Useful all-rounder. Couldn't really suggest nets without knowing if you want an improvement in your batting or bowling line-up; either way he only has a season's more training.

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Jermain Peters - 20 yo, BT Rating 11,194. (£2268 p/w)
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, strong batting form, superb bowling form, invigorated
A steady player with strong leadership skills and feeble experience

Stamina: Feeble, Batting: Wothless Bowling: Superb, Fielding: Abysmal, WK: Worthless, Concentration: Worthless, Consistency: Woeful
Bowling would be alright if the secondary wasn't woeful! Keep him on a bowling net, and a fitness net wouldn't go amiss either.

So my suggestions for nets would be:-
Thornely - 1 batting, 1 bowling.
Henshaw - 1 wicketkeeping, 1 fielding.
Kewell - 1 batting and/or 1 bowling (up to you)
Peters - 1 bowling, 1 fitness
Kealey - as he was, maybe 1 batting to create a useful #8 or 9.

That's what I think, anyway.
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Thank you very much for your help, you have obviously taken your time with helping me. Greatly appreciated.
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I dont want to go into great details as it could become confusing comparing what I say with what Adam says, but i'd be tempted to go with the following for nets.
Thornley 1 bat, 1 stam, 1 field as he needs to improve his concentration quickly.
Kealey 1 bowl, 1 stam. UNLESS you are already giving him 2x bowling and want to make him a super player for you. I'd argue athat there is absolutely no point in him having a batting net as even if you trained him up to woeful/feeble or thereabouts he'd still be a sitting duck but maybe average 5 instead of 2. Feeble batsmen will be completely outclassed against proficient bowlers so you would be wasting a net.
Henshaw 1 bat, 1 wk, probably 1 field, 1 stam

I wouldnt train Kewell any more, and I think you should decide whether you would prefer to train Nikosi who could be better in a few years or try to improve Peters' consistency. Altewrnatively, leave both as they are (or sell them) and give Thornley a batting net as well.

I think theres a danger that you can spread your nets too thinly and as a result train a number of players with major flaws, in many cases poor secondaries, which will prevent them from performing as they could. By concentrating your resources on fewer players you are able to produce some players who you will be able to keep for years (they will be a lot better than the rest of your side) and then when they are ready train a fresh set.

Hope this helps
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Always best to have a second opinion. In all honesty Quaggy - it's entirely up to you (although Statto probably knows more than I do... )
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Yes it is all about opinions, which seems to be the point of the game. Thanks heaps Adam & Statto
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Well i thought I would give you an update on how my season is going. My young players are coming through nicely. Jason Kealy is no longer exhusted and taking a few wickets.

This year my side has won 5 out of the 7 matches.

Here are my two most successful youngsters this season

Jason Kealy - 19 yo, Bt Rating 24,272 Spin bowler
RH Batsman, RH Spin Bowler, proficient batting form, respectable bowling form, lively, A cautious player with superb leadership skills and abysmal experience.

Stamina: mediocre
Batting: Worthless
Bowling: superb
Fielding: competent
WK: worthless
Concentration: competent
Consistency: superb

OD Season - 10 overs, 6 wickets at 4.50, bb 6-27, Econ 2.70
FC Season - 27 overs, 10 wickets at 1.20, bb 6-3, Econ 0.44

Kieren Henshaw - 19 yo, Bt Rating 13,924 Wicket Keeper Batsman
RH Batsman, RFM Bowler, superb batting form, superb bowling form, fresh, An Attacking player with strong leadership skills and abysmal expreience.

Stamina: mediocre
Batting: proficient
Bowling: mediocre
Fielding: worthless
WK: Strong
Concentration: feeble
Consistency: abysmal

OD Season - 4 inn, 219 runs at 54.75, Sr 80.22, Hs 80, 2x50 (WK - Four Catches, One Stumping)
FC Season - 3 inn, 249 runs at 124.50, Sr 92.91, Hs 199*, 1x100 (WK - Twelve Catches, One Stumping)
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Henshaw is my new hero making 184 off 156 balls. His second highest score for me.

Battrick is so much more fun when your players are doing well.
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You're certainly doing well in the First-Class league... especially with only one bot team in your division. Just keep an eye out on player's fitness levels - if you don't play it carefully you could have some shattered players come the end of the year.

And if you want to know how easy it is to beat a bot; just reverse your batting order and set the batsmen to bowl, I did and bowled the opposition out twice for a one day win. Still can't believe my captain decided to declare with my genuine number eleven on 197*...
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