Strauss - Man in form of Legend in the making ?

[Beny]

LOL... It's a different type of Logic.

As I said. Gilly was being kept out by the best wicket keeper of the modern Era.

Langer is different to say Martyn or Lehman.

Langer has simply worked bloody hard to get into the team. made his debut in 1993.

[Beny]

What I'm saying is that these guys were always known as being the next big thing in Australian cricket. They just took time to mature. Strauss is just another good batsmen.

[Maranello]

Maybe you should read my original post again...when did I talk about debuts? Or about who these guys were being kept out by?

Originally Posted by Maranello

I don't think age is an issue. He is 27, which is around the age when the likes of Hayden, Gilchrist, Langer et al became Test regulars - and no one disputes that they all have excellent Test records.

Now you disagreed with that, fine... but the basis for your disagreement, as I have proven, was factually incorrect and illogical.

I have proven that all of Hayden, Gilchrist and Langer became Test regulars in their very late 20s, and had abysmal records, or in the case of Gilly, no Test record till then. However, their late arrivals as regular players has not stopped these guys from becoming excellent Test contributors. Hence, Strauss' age is no barrier to him becoming a good Test player too. That is what my rather innocous post was about - no need to get defensive about your Aussie gods, who, to be honest, have been made to look very human and fallible by Akhtar and Kaneria! But that then is another debate.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Beny

What I'm saying is that these guys were always known as being the next big thing in Australian cricket. They just took time to mature. Strauss is just another good batsmen.

Any Tom, Dick and Harry from the Australian jungle or outback "is the next big thing" ??? And players from other countries, no matter how good, are "just good" LOL. Now that is true Aussie bias.

In any case...I don't think that is the case. Why don't you prove it? At the age of 20, where and when was either Hayden, Langer or Gilchrist talked about in Australia as the next big thing?

These were the three names I mentioned, so let's not drag in other names... these were the three you disagreed with.

[Beny]

Because you're point has no point.

Are you suggesting that because Strauss simply poped up from no where at age 27, that he is a superstar? What I'm saying is that the guys you mention.. Langer, Hayden, Gilly e.c.t Were all known to be the future of Aussie cricket and potental superstars... The class was there. I don't belive that Strauss has that Class. I think that he is like a Brad Hodge: Good but not Good enough. If Strauss were Aussie or Indian he would not be playing regular test cricket.

[Maranello]

Let me explain myself again:

Paoli said: Strauss too old to be a great prospect.

I said: He may, or may not be classy enough to be a prospect. However, he is definitely not too old. There are examples of many players who made good at ages older than Strauss. hence the age argument is irrelevant. On the class front, the jury is still out.

Though he has achieved more at his current age then either of the current Australian openers Hayden or Langer had done at that age. But that is besides the point. If Hayden, Langer, Gilchrist and many others can blossom as Test cricketers in their 30s, so can Strauss, provided he has their class/determination.

[Maranello]

Originally Posted by Beny

Are you suggesting that because Strauss simply poped up from no where at age 27, that he is a superstar? What I'm saying is that the guys you mention.. Langer, Hayden, Gilly e.c.t Were all known to be the future of Aussie cricket and potental superstars... The class was there. I don't belive that Strauss has that Class. I think that he is like a Brad Hodge: Good but not Good enough. If Strauss were Aussie or Indian he would not be playing regular test cricket.

Irrelevant comment... but just to clarify... Darren Lehmann is playing regular Test cricket for Aus, and he looks very ordinary against pace bowling.

For your other point, refer to my post above,


PS: Anyway, this is getting heated for no reason... No offence intended mate.
Let's agree to disagree. Maybe I will be more coherent when I am more awake, its 3am here...

PSS: Apologies one n'all for any offence caused! Obviously...it was not intended!

[Beny]

Yor're saying that his age has nothing to do with it. I'm saying that i've never heard of this guy before this year and he is a half decent player. Englands squad over the nineties has not exactly been overflowing with talent. Australia have out done them every time. If he is class, then he would have alrady have played.

[Maranello]

Good point... if he was that good in domestic cricket, he would be in already.

But then many other English players have recently done better in Tests than they ever did in County.

Did you hear of Trescothick down in Australia before he was selected?

For that matter, had you heard of Vaughan before he was selected?

[Beny]

The fact that they have been playing a few years longer than Strauss, (and I would'nt call Tresco or Vaughen world beaters), suggests to me that Strauss never had the class.


At the end of the day though I've seen the guy bat and he is not Tendualker.