Aus Vs ROW

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by darren cook

Although I would hope it would be Fletcher .

Whys that Darren?

Scott

[flanflinger]

You seem to assume that Marsh is so blinkered, that despite his well-known support for Read, that he would not be able to see the need to bring in Jones.

As an Australian, and a particularily ruthless one at that, I am certain that he would have agreed with the decision to drop Read.

If there is a good cricketing reason (which there was) I a fairly sure that Marsh would have been in agreement.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Teatime FatCat

Oooh - and now I think of it, there was some Danish guy who used to play for Derbyshire, apparently he used to shout "***** Lord Hellfire" when he was hit for a 4.

That would have been Ole Mortensen of Derbyshire !

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

If there is a good cricketing reason (which there was) I a fairly sure that Marsh would have been in agreement.

FF

You may be right, but I'm not so sure. Vaughan and Fletcher have for some time been concerned about Read's inability to make any runs, remember Read made his debut in 1999. It was Marsh who insisted on perservering with Read in the hope he would come good in the run making department - which he didn't. I'ts no coincidence that Jones is useful with the bat and has been given the nod over the other current candidates.

Scott

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

Ernest



The squad to tour the West Indies was selected by the full selection panel. Notice the word squad! It's down to Fletcher as coach and Vaughan as Captain to make the final selections for the games to be played.

The policy that is now being used (which I'm sure has come down from the full selection panel) that players will not be selected/dropped but if selected will get a reasonable run.

The only person who's going to be annoyed by all this will be Rod Marsh.

Scott

Scott

I agree it is up to Fletcher and vaughan to pick the players out of the squad,to play in games while they are on tour,but they cannot preselect the squad to play New Zealand.

They have done this to a point,not by replacing Read with Jones for the tour,but by saying he would get an extended run in the team.It was not in their power to say this,they were wrong,they know they were wrong,they were just trying to get up Rod Marshes nose.

I agree the selection board will not overturn the decision to give Jones an extended run,however wrong it was for Fletcher and vaughan to make that decision,because it would turn into a public squabble.
Things will be said though,and there will be trouble.

[honestbharani]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

FF

I think the argument for that would be in terms of keeping abilities alone, Read must be regarded as one of the best keepers in the world, and as a ROW side is being selected on specialist abilities alone, Read would need to be considered for that specialist role. The reason he was dropped from his national side was nothing to do with his keeping abilities, but simply because he couldnt/wasn't scoring runs. In England's situation it is considered important that the WK make some contribution with the bat, but as the ROW side is packed with world class batsmen, it's not really seen as being that important.

You could argue that even in a ROW side the WK should also contribute with the bat, but I guess that's what makes the selection of ROW side so interesting, and contentious at the same time. Everyone has their own ideas on what 'balance' means and select their ROW side based on where they consider the 'balance' should be. I've said on here in my own ROW side, I'd want what I consider to be the best Captain in the world to lead this side, other people have dismissed this as not being important and simply pick a Captain from the players already selected, some want to include Lara as being the best batsman in the world, others have left him out and gone for a mix of 'in form' quality batsmen. Who can say which is the right method to use in selecting a ROW XI ?

Scott

I see your point of selecting the best captain to lead the side, but he has to deserve his place in the side. Remember, the whole idea of picking a captain is that it happens after you have first picked your side. I don't think Fleming will find a place in any ROW middle order ahead of Lara, Dravid, Kallis, Tendulkar, Laxman, Inzy, Youhana, even Thorpe for my money is better than Fleming.... SO, atleast IMHO, we must first pick the best ROW side and then pick the best guy out of that 11 to be the captain...... Plus, most of the best captains have always said that the captain is only as good as his side and I think anyone who has sound knowledge of the game and has good instincts will do a good job as the cpatain of such a star studded side.... Dravid, Vaughan, Lara or even Sachin could do a good job as the captain because they all understand the game well, they are all pretty experienced now and I am sure they won't do anything silly.....Just do the basic things right and win the match....





And on another note about the keeper, yes, I think the best keeper should get the nod and his batting abilities should be regarded as a bonus..... I only picked Sangakkara ahead of others like Read because he has kept to Murali and that is always going to be a vital consideration..... The wicket keeper is a specialist position in a team, like an opener and a spinner, you need the very best at those departments in those slots, but there is no specialist position reserved in a team for captain.....You only pick the team and then pick the guy that is best suited to lead them from within that team. Just my two cents.......