Today's Match Eng v WI 6th ODI

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Richard Jenkins

Well you lucky so and so's,

Dont forget Barbados,before I can cash in,well I might not wait.

[Richard Jenkins]

Nighty bye bye's lucky winners

[honestbharani]

Another good win for the Windies.......I think England need to get some experienced guys in their middle order.......Atleast Thorpe. I mean, if Goughie is still playing to teach the youngsters the tricks, the same can be said of Thorpe if he played in the eleven.... Afterall, making two changes in the next couple of years when the players know what is to be done will be easier and the players will be better prepared having seen Thorpe at work and learned from him......

[Shivnarine Chaundypaul]

I hope that Harmison, Anderson and to a lesser degree Flintoff have learned their lessons from this weekend. They all need to improve their one day bowling disciplines if England are to have any chance of defending on flat pitches.Of the other bowlers I thought Batty did himself no harm at all with a tight bowling and fielding performance in which he should have had Lara out LBW when he'd made next to nothing. He was one of few plus points in the field for England, Clarke is not really doing much to justify his place in the side though he has had very little chance to play properly with the bat.

The batting was good but not great over both matches, just lacking that finishing touch in the last ten overs to take the score over 300 and apply genuine pressure. A shame to lose both games but undoubtedly some lessons learned.

[Ernest]

"Shivnarine Chaundypaul]I hope that Harmison, Anderson and to a lesser degree Flintoff have learned their lessons from this weekend. They all need to improve their one day bowling disciplines"

Flintoff is one of,if not the best one day seamer in the world.He knows his trade.

The pitch was not suited to the bowling of Anderson,or Harmison,not their fault they where picked on this track because England up to now have no slow bowler of any great shakes.

Barbados is another track,watch these same three bowlers perform there,if they any cricket left in them.

PS Flintoff was bowling with cramp,since Saterday.

[Shivnarine Chaundypaul]

I agree with you about Flintoff, he looked a bit knackered yesterday and usually pulls out some superb yorkers at the death. Regarding Harmison and Anderson, they are both still relatively new to ODIs and any criticism should be made in light of their inexperience. I do think they have to learn how to bowl more effectively on this type of track in one dayers as it is fast becoming the norm - flat as a pancake, lots of runs = happy spectators.

It's a great shame England has lost so many one dayers to the weather this winter as it has seriously hindered the development of the team in my eyes. Let us hope for fairer weather (and Graham Thorpe!) over the summer.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Shivnarine Chaundypaul

I agree with you about Flintoff, he looked a bit knackered yesterday and usually pulls out some superb yorkers at the death. Regarding Harmison and Anderson, they are both still relatively new to ODIs

Yes,Yesterdays track eas a dream for a new batsman who is feeling his way,But hardly a training ground for the likes of Harmison,Anderson.We lack spinners dont we?
Dont think they would have knocked D Underwood all over the park!

[Scott-Wozniak]

Come on guys lets not get too carried away here and start calling for changes to the ODI side.

This is still a developing ODI side and they're still experimenting to an extent, but I don't think those two losses were down to personnel. Yes the bowlers look a little weary, but that's not the reason.

Credit is due to the West Indies - they were the better side on the day.

England lost both matches for two reasons 1/ they couldn't accelerate the run rate in the last 20 overs 2/ West Indies on the whole bowled better than England did.

If theres any lesson to be learned here by England, it's that they had to get a 300+ score on this pitch to exert pressure on the West Indian batsmen, they didn't learn from the previous day and the second match was almost a carbon copy of the first one. They simply didn't accelerate the run rate at the time they needed to do it, and it was once again interesting how the West Indies tied them down once again in the last 10 overs by some very good 'containing' bowling.

In contrast, the West Indies accelerated the the run rate at the right time and were able to cruise to a win.

I'm surprised Vaughan didn't learn his lesson from the first match - he didn't and therefore he deserved to lose - 280 was never going to be enough on this pitch, they needed 300+ it's as simple as that, those 20 runs would have been crucial.

Scott

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

Come on guys lets not get too carried away here and start calling for changes to the ODI side.

Yes the bowlers look a little weary, but that's not the reason.

Credit is due to the West Indies - they were the better side on the day.


I'm surprised Vaughan didn't learn his lesson from the first match - he didn't and therefore he deserved to lose - 280 was never going to be enough on this pitch, they needed 300+ it's as simple as that, those 20 runs would have been crucial.

Scott

We lost for 2 reasons Scott,I agree we needed 300+,but the bowlers being weary was part of the problem.