England odi attack

[Richard Jenkins]

Bowling O M R W

Gough 8.1 0 67 1 (2w)

Harmison 10 0 52 1 (3w)

Anderson 4 0 27 0

Flintoff 9 0 55 1 (1w)

Batty 9 0 40 2 (2w)

Clarke 7 0 35 1 (2w)

1. No-one produced a maiden over
2. Batty had the best figures!?
3. Gough evaporated in a head of steam
4. a tighter line and length was needed.

[Rachael]

I didn't bother following either of the recent pyjama games... but got the impression that not even an attack of McGrath, Akhtar, Pollock, Harmison and Gillespie could have done much on the pitch on offer.

Strikes me that on these pitches our best bet is actually to just pick our 11 best batsmen and toss up any old rubbish as "bowling": aim to post 400 and see what happens.

My team for the next game we play where the pitch isn't fit to bowl on: Knight, Trescothick (wk), Strauss, Hick, Butcher, Hussain, Vaughan (cpt), Thorpe, Collingwood, Solanki, McGrath

Bowling from Tresco, Butcher, Vaughan, Collingwood, Hick, McGrath (so that even if we don't break 400 the opposition will).

Then again.. how about just walking out in protest at a pitch that's not fit for cricket and demanding that the ICC does something to prevent situations arising in which no bowler on earth stands a cat in hells chance of actualy doing what a quality bowler is supposed to do.

Sorry - very, very fed up with the pyjama game turning into a poor-mans version of baseball.

[flanflinger]

In the first ODI, only Gough and Flintoff seemed intent on getting the ball full and straight. Harmison's needs to get the ball further up to the bat, Anderson is proving why Hoggard and Jones were selected above him in the tests.

However, I think that in both games we should have scored more runs. I think our bowlers are being let down by the lack of specialist batsmen in the middle order.


My Team (s) for the summer

Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher/Thorpe
Strauss
Flintoff
Collingwood
Blackwell
Read/Prior
Hoggard
Anderson/Gough/Johnson
Harmison

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Rachael

I didn't bother following either of the recent pyjama games... but got the impression that not even an attack of McGrath, Akhtar, Pollock, Harmison and Gillespie could have done much on the pitch on offer.

Strikes me that on these pitches our best bet is actually to just pick our 11 best batsmen and toss up any old rubbish as "bowling": aim to post 400 and see what happens.

My team for the next game we play where the pitch isn't fit to bowl on: Knight, Trescothick (wk), Strauss, Hick, Butcher, Hussain, Vaughan (cpt), Thorpe, Collingwood, Solanki, McGrath

Bowling from Tresco, Butcher, Vaughan, Collingwood, Hick, McGrath (so that even if we don't break 400 the opposition will).

Then again.. how about just walking out in protest at a pitch that's not fit for cricket and demanding that the ICC does something to prevent situations arising in which no bowler on earth stands a cat in hells chance of actualy doing what a quality bowler is supposed to do.

Sorry - very, very fed up with the pyjama game turning into a poor-mans version of baseball.

It's all very well saying that, but I know many guys, who don't really get Test Cricket, but will happily watch a one-day game. The reason is that they often have an exciting finish and they get too see both sides bat, with a result!!

50 overs games need to be good batting pitches, there is no point playing the game on anything else. People come to see batsman playing shots.

If we got rid of one-day cricket, the game would die. It may not meet your taste, but you will have to live with it. Personally I am looking forward to the first ever 20-Twenty international, which is bound to happen sooner rather than later.

[Kezza]

I was saying to Miles earlier that yesterday's Essex/Warwickshire game ended up being a 10 overs-a-side game. I nearly didn't catch it/continue to watch it after I'd noticed they were eventually playing - but even speaking as a Test fan it was interesting to see how they all coped (Nass particularly well) with the weird situation of having only 60 balls to face per team's innings. Rather exciting, I'd say.

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rachael

I didn't bother following either of the recent pyjama games... but got the impression that not even an attack of McGrath, Akhtar, Pollock, Harmison and Gillespie could have done much on the pitch on offer.

Strikes me that on these pitches our best bet is actually to just pick our 11 best batsmen and toss up any old rubbish as "bowling": aim to post 400 and see what happens.

My team for the next game we play where the pitch isn't fit to bowl on: Knight, Trescothick (wk), Strauss, Hick, Butcher, Hussain, Vaughan (cpt), Thorpe, Collingwood, Solanki, McGrath

Bowling from Tresco, Butcher, Vaughan, Collingwood, Hick, McGrath (so that even if we don't break 400 the opposition will).

Then again.. how about just walking out in protest at a pitch that's not fit for cricket and demanding that the ICC does something to prevent situations arising in which no bowler on earth stands a cat in hells chance of actualy doing what a quality bowler is supposed to do.

Sorry - very, very fed up with the pyjama game turning into a poor-mans version of baseball.

UM can i politely ask why you don't like One day cricket? baseball uses a different bat ball and running area.
Is it a sin to like one day cricket?
Can I have redemption if I promise to watch test as well?
I've always enjoyed pyjama parties anyway.

I'm no Pitch expert (to me pitch is that black tar stuff that dinosaurs get stuck in) but it's a new ground I think, so I guess the ICC will give it time.

[Richard Jenkins]

CASTRIES, St Lucia, May 3 (Reuters) - West Indies have made one change to their 14-man squad for the seventh and final one-day international against England at the Kensington Oval in Barbados on Wednesday.


Tino Best, the right arm fast bowler comes in to replace Ryan Hinds. Squad: Brian Lara (captain), Ramnaresh Sarwan, Chris Gayle, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ricardo Powell, Dwayne Smith, Sylvester Joseph, Dwayne Bravo, Ridley Jacobs, Ian Bradshaw, Ravi Rampaul, Mervyn Dillon, Corey Collymore, Tino Best.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Rachael

My team for the next game we play where the pitch isn't fit to bowl on.

I don't think I have read anywhere that these were played on poor pitches.. The fact is that Bowlers need to learn how to bowl on good pitches. I know you believe in a contest between bat and ball, but bowlers need to learn how to get batsman out. I think it's quite dull when bowlers can run up and bowl poor balls that rather than going for four, do too much and end up either being knicked to slip, or played and missed.

[R W S]

Originally Posted by Richard Jenkins

Bowling O M R W
Gough 8.1 0 67 1 (2w)
Harmison 10 0 52 1 (3w)
Anderson 4 0 27 0
Flintoff 9 0 55 1 (1w)
Batty 9 0 40 2 (2w)
Clarke 7 0 35 1 (2w)

1. No-one produced a maiden over
2. Batty had the best figures!?
3. Gough evaporated in a head of steam
4. a tighter line and length was needed.

Opening Bowling for the last two ODIs
O M R W
Gough 17.1 1 112 1 (3w)
Harmison 20 1 126 2 (7w)


Which adds up to 238/3 off 37.1 over @ about 6.4 an over.

This is where the problem is.

Solution - Open with Fintoff, bowl Harmison through and finish with Gough and Batty/Blackwell!

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally Posted by R W S

[/list]Opening Bowling for the last two ODIs
O M R W
Gough 17.1 1 112 1 (3w)
Harmison 20 1 126 2 (7w)


Which adds up to 238/3 off 37.1 over @ about 6.4 an over.

This is where the problem is.

Solution - Open with Fintoff, bowl Harmison through and finish with Gough and Batty/Blackwell!

Gough may take wickets with the old ball now his speed is going going gone.
Harmison could open, and giving Freddy the new ball would be interesting, I dion't think he knows what it looks like!!( its round and red skip, where's the skuff marks)