Geraint Jones smacks a ton off the Kiwi's

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by sostenurter

I don't think we have much of a chance of getting a plyer like Warne, he is a one-off. Nor are we going to produce spinners in teh way the sub-continent sides do, because there players are growing up with spin-friendy pitches and an average side will feature two or more specialist spinners. Our aim has to be to get someone like Vettori or Boje, decent spinners who can perform on different types of pitches.

sotenurter

No we have the wrong piches to produce players like Warne,but I dont think it is to much to ask the coaches,to produce bowlers who can spin,on spin freindly pitches,and be accurate when there is nothing in the pitch for them,a good spin bowler,will use flight,changes of pace,and bowl flat and accurate,when there is no spin in the wicket.,yes good point Why cant we produce a Vettori.

Its been done before,Underwood,Flat Jack Simmonds,John Embury(,when he was at his best)and they bowled on pitches like there are today.Slow swing bowlers like Gooch,Boycott could tie a batsman down.

Failing that what is the point of having spin bowlers,if Giles is the best we can produce,then we should pack it in,and concentrate on pace,and swing.

[Tom Partis]

so who are the spinners who may be in contention, should we finally get rid of giles?

Keedy seems to be the popular replacement at current time.
Batty i'm not keen on, he's just another clone of Giles.
Brown has to be worth a look
Swann seems to take wickets fairly regularly, and he scores runs as well
Tredwell had a decent England A tour
Ferley was mentioned earlier in the thread, but i would think he is well down the pecking order at present. one for the future though?

anyone else i've forgotten?

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Tom Partis

so who are the spinners who may be in contention, should we finally get rid of giles?

Keedy seems to be the popular replacement at current time.
Batty i'm not keen on, he's just another clone of Giles.
Brown has to be worth a look
Swann seems to take wickets fairly regularly, and he scores runs as well
Tredwell had a decent England A tour
Ferley was mentioned earlier in the thread, but i would think he is well down the pecking order at present. one for the future though?

anyone else i've forgotten?

http://www.lccc.co.uk/dev/squad.php


Yates bit ling in the tooth,but good stats,still have Keedy though,he has come on this last couple of years,have a gander at the lancs playeres who top both leagues.

Ernest

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by sostenurter

I don't think we have much of a chance of getting a plyer like Warne, he is a one-off. Nor are we going to produce spinners in teh way the sub-continent sides do, because there players are growing up with spin-friendy pitches and an average side will feature two or more specialist spinners. Our aim has to be to get someone like Vettori or Boje, decent spinners who can perform on different types of pitches.

sostenurter

I was reading an article about Vettori that went on to say that at one time he was reckoned to be 'technically' one of the best spinners in the world, but that his continuing back problems had meant that his action had to be changed and he was nowhere near as potent now as he once was.

Scott

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

sostenurter

I was reading an article about Vettori that went on to say that at one time he was reckoned to be 'technically' one of the best spinners in the world, but that his continuing back problems had meant that his action had to be changed and he was nowhere near as potent now as he once was.

Scott

Was he bollocks ! He was/is a useful spinner but he was never a "best" anything apart from NZ slow bowler. Better than giles yes but no more than that. And technically he is good against players like adams but there a technically good county players who just arent good enought to worry batters.

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by Richie Benauds Love Child

Was he bollocks ! He was/is a useful spinner but he was never a "best" anything apart from NZ slow bowler. Better than giles yes but no more than that. And technically he is good against players like adams but there a technically good county players who just arent good enought to worry batters.

RBLC

Don't hold back - say what you really think

Scott

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Oddly enough I like the guy, he tries hard, seems level headed, and looks like a dorky student. Its often a thankless task he does and he can be useful with the bat , but best technically or anything else to do with spin bowling outside of NZ he certainly is not !

[Tom Partis]

wow, Keedy is younger than i thought, i was under the impression that he was in his early-mid thirties, but he's still 29. as a spin bowler, he's good for a few more years yet. i believe that that great and potent John Childs (poor man's Peter Such, and that's saying something) made his England debut aged 36 or something? Keedy gets my vote now - it would seem a lot more sensible to bring him in than someone like tredwell who has barely proved himself at county level (indeed, when i've seen him he's been more impressive with bat than ball). i think tredders is one for the future, but Keedy seems to be one for the present.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Tom Partis

wow, Keedy is younger than i thought, i was under the impression that he was in his early-mid thirties, but he's still 29. as a spin bowler, he's good for a few more years yet.

Hi Tom

Yes only 29,and he would be coming in from a winning side,I would love to see it ,but I dont think I will.

I would like to see R Key back,under vaughan I think he would do well

Ernest

[Tom Partis]

As a Kent fan, I'm a believer in Key's abilities as a batsman, but i think that at present he is no more than a good county performer. I think that he has the ability to transfer his county form into international class, but he needs to be supported in the right way, not just by the england management, but also those who claim to support England. Once a player is in the side, i believe they should be supported as a member of the England unit, regardless of whether we agree with their selection. For example, I actually agree with Botham that Hussain should stand down and leave his space available to blood a new player, but i'm not going to be hoping that he gets a golden duck in every innings from now until international retirement. whilst he is in the england team, i hope that he will do well for the england team. Key did not impress in his first international opportunity, but he was never given a chance by some members of the public, who seized on his build as a means of giving him a hard time. perhaps if he had received more support from the england supporters, Key would have been able to overcome his nerves and play himself into the side. indeed, if this had happened, all controversy and conversation about Collingwood, Strauss, Pieterson et al would be merely academic.