Vaughan Carried Off On Stretcher..

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by kriss

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If Vaughan is out then I hope they give Hussain the captaincy. It’d be a slap for Trescothick but this isn’t the time for the inexperienced and he’s got enough to concentrate on with his poor form.

In the past, England have been reluctant to go back to ex-captains. When Nasser got injured in the first match of his captaincy, against NZ in 1999, Butcher was brought in as a stand-in captain, despite the fact there were two ex-captains in the side, Stewart and Athers, and the fact that Butcher wasn't even guaranteed a place in the side.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by kriss

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If Vaughan is out then I hope they give Hussain the captaincy. It’d be a slap for Trescothick but this isn’t the time for the inexperienced and he’s got enough to concentrate on with his poor form.

I think Butcher should open and either play Collingwood or bring in Key.

Anyone who has not seen the report it is here,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/3722047.stm

"Vaughan screaming in agony" dont sound good.

ernest

[Whips_off_the_bails]

Originally Posted by sostenurter

In the past, England have been reluctant to go back to ex-captains. When Nasser got injured in the first match of his captaincy, against NZ in 1999, Butcher was brought in as a stand-in captain, despite the fact there were two ex-captains in the side, Stewart and Athers, and the fact that Butcher wasn't even guaranteed a place in the side.

Not entirely correct. Alec Stewart captained England for the historic 100th test at Lords in 2000 when Hussain was injured. Michael Atherton took over from Nasser in Australia in 2001.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Whips_off_the_bails

Not entirely correct. Alec Stewart captained England for the historic 100th test at Lords in 2000 when Hussain was injured. Michael Atherton took over from Nasser in Australia in 2001.

Yes and annother thing,Hussain had not entirely covered himsel in glory,Stewart got them back to winning ways,and put some fun back in the game,nasa got all the cedit for Englands revival.

[Mike_Hock]

Let Robert Key have another chance. Put him in as Tresco's partner.

[Pete]

Is Trez to be trusted with the captaincy? Anyone know what he's like?

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by Whips_off_the_bails

Not entirely correct. Alec Stewart captained England for the historic 100th test at Lords in 2000 when Hussain was injured. Michael Atherton took over from Nasser in Australia in 2001.

That's true, I'd forgotten about those. Stewart also captained the side in 2001 in the second Test against Pakistan, which I find a bit odd - he captained them then, and a few months later, against Aus, when Nasser Poppadom Hussain broke another finger, Atherton was brought in as captain instead. Odd. Maybe Stewart had said he didn't want it, I don't remember.

I think the reason why England went for Butcher in 1999 as replacement captain was because Nasser had just taken over as captain and was beginning to stamp his authority on the team. For Stewart to take over only one Test after giving up the captaincy would have been a step back, and confusing for all involved. If Nasser were to take over now, I think the same could also be said. I'd rather see Trescothick take over, as he is very clearly Vaughan's right-hand man and will captain the side in a similar way to Vaughan, I think. He's not entirely new to the job, either.

Hopefully, it won't come to this, and Vaughan will return for the First Test. From the sound of it, it doesn't seem likely though.

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by Captain Applehead

Who would be Captain? Tresco? Freddie?

Freddie? Tell me you're kidding right?

As Vice-Captain it will be Trescothick who will Captain England should Vaughan not be fit, and he'll be fine with Hussain to fall back on if he needs to.

The question of who will open with Tresco is a little trickier to answer. There seem two options to me 1/ Promote Butcher and move Collingwood in 2/ Do a like for like swop with Strauss

Option 1 may be a problem if they decide to drop Giles, my betting is option 2.

Scott

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by Hampshire Guy

Is Trez to be trusted with the captaincy? Anyone know what he's like?

Up until Vaughan's brilliant season in 2002/03, Tres was the bookies' and the management's favourite to succeed Nasser. Unlike Vaughan, Trescothick stepped straight into the Test side and stayed there, whereas Vaughan was on the fringes of the side for a while, got injured, moved around the order etc. Trescothick's always been trusted by Fletcher and given plenty of responsibility - Tres was a member of the players' management committee on his first tour,
He was vice-captain under Nasser for a bit, and deputised for him in a few first-class matches on tour, as well as an ODI vs. Zim in 2001, which we won, with Tres making 52 - we did win all five in that series though!

Trescothick also deputised for Vaughan in the only match Vaughan has missed as England captain - one of the ODIs in the Natwest challenge against SA - we also won that (batting second, natch!) and Tres scored an unbeaten century.

He was the Somerset vice-captain under Jamie Cox, and captained the England under-19 side the year after Michael Vaughan captained them. I think he'd do the job well.

[Tom Partis]

i'd be very surprised if key got called up before strauss, and there'd be some outraged posters on the bbc message board for sure. i'd be gutted, with keysey in good form, we could do with him in the championship vs northants this week.

i'd like to see strauss come in as a like for like swap. i don't think collingwood is going to make it as a test player, although i think he's highly valuable in the ODI lineup. england's answer to michael bevan, perhaps?