Noooooooooooooooooo

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by ernest

Hoggard is the pits,when the ball does not swing,Anderson would have been more penetrating I think,Did you watch the match,Harmison seemed stragely subdude,not a lot of fire.
kiwis rode their luck,if they swing the bat like that tomorrow they will soon be gone.

Evening Ernest

Yes I did see the match, apart from dozing off in the last session, but woke up just in time to see the cause of my dozing to be trapped LBW.

Not so sure about Anderson being more penetrating - Anderson relies on swing just as much as Hoggy does, if its not swinging for Hoggy, I can't see Anderson doing any better.

England bowled very poorly today all of them pretty much, with the possible exception of Freddy - but he wasn't bowled enough. What was needed on this pitch was 'metronomic' line and length and accurate bowling on or about off stump - giving the batsmen NOTHING, and if they want to score runs they have to take a risk. What we got was wayward line, varying length and poor accuracy and that is reflected in the score. England failed to exert hardly any pressure for any length of time - they picked up a couple of wickets due to pressure - but the others were mistakes by the batsmen. Unless England get their sh*t together and put in a decent bowling performance tommorow I fully expect them to be looking down the barrel of a 5-600+ score. And if that happens, kiss your @ss goodbye to England winning this match.

I wouldn't bank on the Kiwi's swinging the bat and throwing their wickets away, they're not West Indies - England have to earn those wickets by good bowling, and if they don't get them out quickly tommorow we're in for a repeat of the last Test in the Carribbean.

Very dissapointed.

Scott

[Mike_Hock]

I think Jones bowled well today. He looked as potent as Freddy and went past the edge on a few occasions.

[Statto]

we always seem scared to bowl freddie in case he gets injured even when, like today he was the best bowler. It seems stupid to be playing someone as the 4th seamer if he can only bowl a couple of shortish spells for fear of injury. I dont know whether its his or the captain/managements confidence (or lack of) in his health or that he simply isnt capable of long spells, which i very much doubt, but either way it does england no favours when he should be bowling but isnt given the ball. i cant see it being freddies attitude as he always seems to give everything for his team whatever else is happening around him. At times like today when no one else is stepping up (except jones this morning) it can cost us big time

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

Not so sure about Anderson being more penetrating - Anderson relies on swing just as much as Hoggy does, if its not swinging for Hoggy, I can't see Anderson doing any better.


I wouldn't bank on the Kiwi's swinging the bat and throwing their wickets away, they're not West Indies - England have to earn those wickets by good bowling, and if they don't get them out quickly tommorow we're in for a repeat of the last Test in the Carribbean.

Very dissapointed.

Scott

Scott,Dont even remind me of that last Test in the Carribean,surely it couldnt happen again.

I dont blame you for being very dissapointed,and I totaly agree,accurate bowling giving nothing away,was what was needed,let them get themselves out.I agree 99% obout Anderson,but at times even when he is bowling crap he can get one out of the blue,I think that is because he is smaller than most,

Annother Freddy,and annother Jones,we really needed,they where the pick.

Looking forward to the batting,(tomorrow I hope)

Ernest



there seemed to be a lack of something,cant quite put my finger on it.

[Mike_Hock]

I think they lacked a bit of consistency, especially Hoggard and Harmison.

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by ernest

there seemed to be a lack of something,cant quite put my finger on it.

I think you'll find its called 'line and length'

Scott

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

Evening Ernest

Yes I did see the match, apart from dozing off in the last session, but woke up just in time to see the cause of my dozing to be trapped LBW.

Not so sure about Anderson being more penetrating - Anderson relies on swing just as much as Hoggy does, if its not swinging for Hoggy, I can't see Anderson doing any better.

England bowled very poorly today all of them pretty much, with the possible exception of Freddy - but he wasn't bowled enough. What was needed on this pitch was 'metronomic' line and length and accurate bowling on or about off stump - giving the batsmen NOTHING, and if they want to score runs they have to take a risk. What we got was wayward line, varying length and poor accuracy and that is reflected in the score. England failed to exert hardly any pressure for any length of time - they picked up a couple of wickets due to pressure - but the others were mistakes by the batsmen. Unless England get their sh*t together and put in a decent bowling performance tommorow I fully expect them to be looking down the barrel of a 5-600+ score. And if that happens, kiss your @ss goodbye to England winning this match.

I wouldn't bank on the Kiwi's swinging the bat and throwing their wickets away, they're not West Indies - England have to earn those wickets by good bowling, and if they don't get them out quickly tommorow we're in for a repeat of the last Test in the Carribbean.

Very dissapointed.

Scott

hmmm. I too am disappointed, but bear in mind that all the England bowlers, especially Harmison, have been known to improve drastically within a match. Hopefully, Cooley and Fletcher have told them what's what and they'll come out in the morning bowling a lot better.

I thought Simon Jones didn't do too badly either - OK he was wayward towards the end, but he was also threatening, and at the beginning of the innings, along with Flintoff, he succeeded in keeping it tight.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Mike_Hock

I think they lacked a bit of consistency, especially Hoggard and Harmison.

Mike
dissapointing was'nt it,Scott reckons if they dont bowl tighter tomorrow,we are going to see a repeat of the 4th test in the Windies,God Forbid,and the more I think about it the more I agree.

You had the two bowlers banged to rights Mike,but what about Giles???

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by sostenurter

hmmm. I too am disappointed, but bear in mind that all the England bowlers, especially Harmison, have been known to improve drastically within a match. Hopefully, Cooley and Fletcher have told them what's what and they'll come out in the morning bowling a lot better.

sostenurter

Yes I know what you're saying, but in my mind the damage has been done, it's damage limitation now - Cairns is yet to come in and he can take any attack apart. This is the big problem with this Kiwi side - their batting is incredibly long and England need to be on the top of their bowling game to keep this first innings total to something manageable. What always worries me is our batting is so inconsistent - will they even get to the Kiwi's first innings score?

Originally Posted by sostenurter

I thought Simon Jones didn't do too badly either - OK he was wayward towards the end, but he was also threatening, and at the beginning of the innings, along with Flintoff, he succeeded in keeping it tight.

Yes Jones wasn't too bad - but wasn't consistent enough with his line and length like all the other English bowlers.

I said it before the series started - England need to bowl these Kiwi's out cheaply if they hope to win these games, if this first day is anything to go by they're in for a lot of work.

Scott

[R W S]

Originally Posted by ernest

there seemed to be a lack of something,cant quite put my finger on it.

Virgil maybe?