Time to ditch GO Jones?

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Scott-Wozniak

I'm staying out of this pointless discussion.

The guy's had (almost) two Test Matches, and already people are calling for him to be dropped - it was only a matter of time before he made a couple of mistakes behind the stumps for people to start going hysterical and calling for Read's recall.

The way Jones bats, I can't ever see Read getting back in the side no matter how bad he is behind the stumps, but that's just my personal view. The guy's young, he needs Test Match experience to find his feet.

This is probably going to be my only post on this subject because I see it as being pointless.

Scott

Scott, 100% agree with you here mate. This a pointless discusson.

Rachael, sometimes your views are bizarre. But posting this on the basis of only two tests - one of which he did not conceed a Bye until the last ball!! His batting is as good as everyone has said.

Your comments about Stewart are also poor, Stewart was not as good as Russel, but he certainly was one of the best Keepers in the world during his time.

The fact is that some of the wins that were so de-valued would not have been possible had they palyed both Stewart and Russell.

Keepers don't win games on their own, batsmen and bowlers do. A keeper can only take a catch if the bowler bowls a ball that the batsmen knicks!! OK, so some stumpings are the done to good glove work, but how many of them happen so often that it takes games aeway from an opposition..

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Originally Posted by Rachael

So.. the evidence is indisputable: GO Jones can't keept tidily enough to warrant being called a test class 'keeper.

The above is not really open to debate: today's efforts made the worst performances of Stewart look positively sensational. The question is.. what do we do about it - persist with a guy who disgraces the gloves in the hope that he eventually improves (despite the evidence that iron hands Boucher never has)... go back to a guy who hasn't looked convincing with the bat (despite some positive signs in ODI matches)... or head for a third option (Wallace, Foster, Prior... or one of 3-4 other serious candidates).

Rachael, Rachael, Rachael. Double standards ?!?!?! He's had a very bad day at the office, no doubt, but read failed with the bat from day 1 and never got better. I'll freely admit he should have taken that catch at the end of the second innings and in effect he'll need to score over 50 to make that up. From what I saw with the bat, he looks pretty good and there a good chance of that. Giles had a very average day at the office (getting cairns out has prbably saved his place) yet he still plays. It seems odd everyone else gets a second bite and not him. He seemed ok against WI. If (and its still an if) he needs to be replaced Read isnt the answer. He is for ODIs, but not tests. Give prior a go.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Rachael

So.. the evidence is indisputable: GO Jones can't keept tidily enough to warrant being called a test class 'keeper.

The above is not really open to debate: today's efforts made the worst performances of Stewart look positively sensational. The question is.. what do we do about it - persist with a guy who disgraces the gloves in the hope that he eventually improves (despite the evidence that iron hands Boucher never has)... go back to a guy who hasn't looked convincing with the bat (despite some positive signs in ODI matches)... or head for a third option (Wallace, Foster, Prior... or one of 3-4 other serious candidates).

Rachael
The argument is weather we want Jones who can bat better than Read,or do we want a specialist keeper,who can bat a little.
Strange time to start a thread on this,right or wrong,you will have egg on your face if Jones bats well,and I am one who supports Read.

Why mention Wallace,Foster,Prior. on the last dat of a test match,thay can go either way

[Notts Exile]

I don't think anyone is questioning his talent with the bat, better than Read at Test level. But surely his keeping should be better than it has appeared here? The jury is still out, the next two Tests should make for interesting watching as Headingley won't necessarily be any easier than Lord's for keeping.

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

I don't think anyone is questioning his talent with the bat, better than Read at Test level. But surely his keeping should be better than it has appeared here? The jury is still out, the next two Tests should make for interesting watching as Headingley won't necessarily be any easier than Lord's for keeping.

That Notts is exactly the right attitude to take. You have been Reads biggest fan, but even you can see the sense of giving Jones the two other tests to see if he can cut it, and indeed the jury is still out.

Rachaels already tried to hang him !!

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Richie Benauds Love Child

That Notts is exactly the right attitude to take. You have been Reads biggest fan, but even you can see the sense of giving Jones the two other tests to see if he can cut it, and indeed the jury is still out.

Rachaels already tried to hang him !!

I could agree but why did the drop Read aon the 4th Windies Test strange,I would have though to start Jones he should have played in the one dayers.Polatics R B L C

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Ernest, how long could you let read play in tests and keep failing with the bat. I thought they did the right thing with Jones, by bringing him in with the series won. As for the ODIs , Read should keep that for the forseeable future. I think he's much more suited to that side of the game.

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by ernest

I could agree but why did the drop Read aon the 4th Windies Test strange,I would have though to start Jones he should have played in the one dayers.Polatics R B L C

Not politics at all Ernest

England recognised the need to strengthen the batting for the New Zealand Tests and decided to try out Jones in the last Test in the series in the Carribbean to see how he would do. This just shows how anxious they were to strengthen the batting down the order. Read's batting was a liability.

Scott

[Scott-Wozniak]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

I don't think anyone is questioning his talent with the bat, better than Read at Test level. But surely his keeping should be better than it has appeared here? The jury is still out, the next two Tests should make for interesting watching as Headingley won't necessarily be any easier than Lord's for keeping.

Notts

World Cricket is littered with examples of Keepers who can bat - Gilchrist, Sangakarra, Boucher, McCullum, Jacobs, Patel, Taibu - all Keepers who can add useful runs down the order and are all capable of scoring Test Centuries. Yet, the pro-Read people want to continue to ignore all of this and play a Keeper who can't bat.

Yes, many of those Keepers aren't the equal of Read with the gloves, but doesn't it rather make you wonder why they're playing in Test Cricket and Read isn't? The answer isn't rocket science, I don't see why England should be alone in playing a Keeper who can't bat.

Scott

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Richie Benauds Love Child

Ernest, how long could you let read play in tests and keep failing with the bat. I thought they did the right thing with Jones, by bringing him in with the series won. As for the ODIs , Read should keep that for the forseeable future. I think he's much more suited to that side of the game.

R B L C

It was the timing I did not like,I wish Jones well espesially to day,This sort of selection really started with Stewrat,there was a great debate on weather he should keep or not.

Jones is the man in possecion.

Ernest