Time to ditch GO Jones?

[Rachael]

So.. the evidence is indisputable: GO Jones can't keept tidily enough to warrant being called a test class 'keeper.

The above is not really open to debate: today's efforts made the worst performances of Stewart look positively sensational. The question is.. what do we do about it - persist with a guy who disgraces the gloves in the hope that he eventually improves (despite the evidence that iron hands Boucher never has)... go back to a guy who hasn't looked convincing with the bat (despite some positive signs in ODI matches)... or head for a third option (Wallace, Foster, Prior... or one of 3-4 other serious candidates).

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by Rachael

So.. the evidence is indisputable: GO Jones can't keept tidily enough to warrant being called a test class 'keeper.

The above is not really open to debate: todays' efforts made the wort performances of Stewart look positively sensational. The question is.. what do we do about it - persist with a guy who disgraces the gloves in the hope that he eventually improves (despite the evidence that iron hands Boucher never has)... go back to a guy who hasn't looked convincing with the bat (despite some positive signs in ODI matches) or head for a third option (Wallace, Foster, Prior... or one of 3-4 other serious candidates).

Enough with the exaggeration Rachel...."indisputable evidence"? One poor innings in the field? What happened to giving him the chance that Read got? Lest we forget, Jones took four catches today, one of them very good. Give him the chance Read got. I'd have thought that you of all people would have counselled against dropping people after one poor Test.

[Kirsty Harris]

Originally Posted by Rachael

So.. the evidence is indisputable: GO Jones can't keept tidily enough to warrant being called a test class 'keeper.

The above is not really open to debate: today's efforts made the worst performances of Stewart look positively sensational. The question is.. what do we do about it - persist with a guy who disgraces the gloves in the hope that he eventually improves (despite the evidence that iron hands Boucher never has)... go back to a guy who hasn't looked convincing with the bat (despite some positive signs in ODI matches)... or head for a third option (Wallace, Foster, Prior... or one of 3-4 other serious candidates).

I'm a big fan of Reads, Rachael, but this is nonsense.

One bad day in the field does not = indisputable proof of anything! You might as well say that Giles performance today is indisputable proof that he is a world class spinner!

I would also disagree that he 'disgraces the gloves'. Like it or not, in order to be fair to Jones we have to judge him on at least four or five test matchs.

[R W S]

A fantastic wind-up! Next you'll be telling us that we should pack our top order with Richardson clones!!

[Rachael]

One Richardson clone would be nice.. but agreed: I'd be appalled by any sudden chance in selection. We should never have seen the guy selected in the first place.. but now we've got him... he should get at least until this time next year to sort his act out.

I shall find it hard to enjoy any England success whilst Jones reigns: I resented every single England victory in the period when Stewart deprived Russell of the gloves and shall doubtless feel the same about every opponent we face whilst Jones has the gloves - but that doesn't alter my basic commitment to giving a new guy a decent enough run to prove, conclusively, that he's absolutely **** at what he does.

[yubeingfunny]

A little ott reaction clearly but it wasnt the most inspiring of starts, the main thing with read was the confidence he gave to the bowlers and slip cordon - jones hasnt earnt that trust yet - hence tresco diving to his wrong side for one half chance (cant remember who it was but i'd have given read a 1 in 4 chance of taking it) he isnt as vocal as read either, having said that - i think he's worth persevering with

[Rachael]

Not sure what it is about him... but he actually LOOKS Australian. I'm trying hard to avoid developing a pet hate here.. but it's proving tough!!!!

[Kirsty Harris]

Originally Posted by Rachael

One Richardson clone would be nice.. but agreed: I'd be appalled by any sudden chance in selection. We should never have seen the guy selected in the first place.. but now we've got him... he should get at least until this time next year to sort his act out.

I shall find it hard to enjoy any England success whilst Jones reigns: I resented every single England victory in the period when Stewart deprived Russell of the gloves and shall doubtless feel the same about every opponent we face whilst Jones has the gloves - but that doesn't alter my basic commitment to giving a new guy a decent enough run to prove, conclusively, that he's absolutely **** at what he does.

Blimey, that's a er...strong view! But think of the pleasure you'll get from being proved right in the end...

[sostenurter]

Originally Posted by yubeingfunny

A little ott reaction clearly but it wasnt the most inspiring of starts, the main thing with read was the confidence he gave to the bowlers and slip cordon - jones hasnt earnt that trust yet - hence tresco diving to his wrong side for one half chance (cant remember who it was but i'd have given read a 1 in 4 chance of taking it) he isnt as vocal as read either, having said that - i think he's worth persevering with

Actually, Read's one weakness as a keeper was a tendency to have a very conservative catching circle. There were a couple of times in the Caribean when the first slip had to dive toward him to take a catch - but because they always caught it, it never occasioned comment. In contrast, Jones was willing to view his catching circle as wider than this, as seen in the catch of Vettori (which was, I have to repeat, pretty good - the guy is not someone who has been turned into a keeper overnight - he is a specialist keeper who has had a bad day).

[Scott-Wozniak]

I'm staying out of this pointless discussion.

The guy's had (almost) two Test Matches, and already people are calling for him to be dropped - it was only a matter of time before he made a couple of mistakes behind the stumps for people to start going hysterical and calling for Read's recall.

The way Jones bats, I can't ever see Read getting back in the side no matter how bad he is behind the stumps, but that's just my personal view. The guy's young, he needs Test Match experience to find his feet.

This is probably going to be my only post on this subject because I see it as being pointless.

Scott