Jones or Read

[Victor Frankenstein]

yep, good point sostenurter, he did keep very well in the second innings so perhaps what i and others said elsewhere that his hundred will give him more confidence for his keeping is true. He's just won the man of the match award for his 100 and second innings keeping which is well deserved, but in the same way that if read had scored a 50 people would still have been concerned with his batting, one good session of keeping from jones doesn't mean he's the finished article. It is looking very good though as i say, if he can keep up this level of improvement then the future looks very very good.

Interesting announcement RWS, i can see why there would be a rush for jones to be given the gloves for the one dayers, but i think it would be unfair for read to be dropped as he's done nothing wrong as one day keeper, keeping and batting well. I'd be more inclined to bring in jones as a batsman and have him at first slip learning off read to improve his test keeping.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by R W S

The've just announced on TMS that the oneday squad will not be announced tomorrow as planned because there is dispute over who should play as WK - with a strong case being made for Jones on the back of his efforts here! It works both ways . . .

R W

Stinks,Well there is a split within the selectors,since that high handed action by vaughan and Fletcher,they acted without regard for the full selection board,O k Jones has batted well up to now,but Read was prommised the one day place,Jones does not have the monopoly ,of putting up good performances.

[R W S]

Originally Posted by Victor Frankenstein

Interesting announcement RWS, i can see why there would be a rush for jones to be given the gloves for the one dayers, but i think it would be unfair for read to be dropped as he's done nothing wrong as one day keeper, keeping and batting well. I'd be more inclined to bring in jones as a batsman and have him at first slip learning off read to improve his test keeping.

VF - Interesting & imaganative idea and the ideal time to try it. A few of us have been advocating a squad system and I can foresee how you'd pick Read ahead of Jones in circumstances when Jones' extra runs would not advance winning chances more than Read's wicket keeping abilities. The spirit in which Read accepted his demotion is to be applauded and it would be counterproductive imo to bump him from the ODI team.

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

I think that read is the best bet for the ODIs and Jones (if he can keep wicket like he has in PATCHES this test) should play in tests. Read seldom has to bat in the oDIs so if he ends up batting , everything else has gone south batting wise. And generally he seems better becasue he doesnt need to face alot of short accurate bowling which he cant cope with.

[Glamorgan Wanderer]

Simon Mann has been banging on about Jones being selected for the ODI team on the strength of his batting throughout this test. Why should performances in tests have any influence on selection for ODIs and vice versa (other than potential test players being blooded through ODIs as a test of temperament)?

As I understand matters Read has a better one day batting record than Jones in any case. Furthermore, whilst runs would appear to be paramount in ODIs, byes conceded could be crucial and the momentum of a game can be changed in an instant (for example by a stumping off a wide down the leg side). Dropped chances are also likely to be more costly. Therefore, as the side is already packed with batsmen and allrounders I think you can afford to carry a keeper who has less natural batting talent.

[Mike_Hock]

Perhaps he ment as well as Read? I wouldn't mind them both playing in the ODI's. In the ODI series against the WI we were shown up by not having enough specialist batsmen. Peitersen, Bell and Jones should be considered.

[Victor Frankenstein]

Tresco
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
G.Jones
Flintoff
Pieterson
Read
Anderson
Hoggard
Harmison

nice

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by R W S

A few of us have been advocating a squad system and I can foresee how you'd pick Read ahead of Jones in circumstances when Jones' extra runs would not advance winning chances more than Read's wicket keeping abilities. The spirit in which Read accepted his demotion is to be applauded and it would be counterproductive imo to bump him from the ODI team.

Goei middag

Your post is in to parts really,a squad system would appear to be the faiest,and would give more flexabillity to the selectors,honing down to 12 men on the day.

Your second point I agree whole heartedly,it would be counterptoductive,and stupid to drop Read from the ODIs,We all have to get behind Jones in the Test Team,regardless of our thinking at the way he was selected,Well done jones,but vaughan and Fletcher as good as said,Read was the one day keeper,henve the split.

[Ernest]

Victor

You are joking are'nt you,this team is all players for all men

[Victor Frankenstein]

i don't understand?

If you mean it's a poor selection, fair enough, everyones team would be different

reasons for it is that the bats mainly pick themselves (although i wouldn't have vaughan, but everyone else loves him so he'd never be dropped), read is the best keeper and good at odi's, pieterson can give some spin, flintoff would open the bowling with hoggard as both are good white ball bowlers, and then anderson as another good white ball bowler with harmison in simply because he's our best bowler and it might teach him to get better line and length