New Blood For England

[Ernest]

Hussain has gone,who are we going to replace him with,Collingwood,look and compare Key

has scored 900 + runs this year,ok so he had a bad start,ok then so did Flintoff,only Rachael would drop Flintoff out of the team.Key is a talent like Hick.Who would haved thrived with this England set up,he has gone a talent wasted,Robert Key has stuffed the Kiwis this year,in fact he has stuffed everyone,he is class,and if he is forgotten,he will be a wasted talent like Hick.

Who else in England compares with him?certainly not Collingwood.

Can anyone dispute his claim to an England place,and if so who is bettter?

[dezz]

i still can't understand why the selectors thrived on selecting such average players like ed smith, mcgrath,key and afzaal. it all seemed very spare of the moment. ed smith's not even a proper cricketer anyway, he plays baseball.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by dezz

i still can't understand why the selectors thrived on selecting such average players like ed smith, mcgrath,key and afzaal. it all seemed very spare of the moment. ed smith's not even a proper cricketer anyway, he plays baseball.

Hi Dezz

There is more Troughton,for eg

Difference is Key is not a baseball player,ok he did not look good when he came in,but gee,has he improved,Now Hussains gone our batting looks really thin.

The bowlers won the series in the West Indies for us,Ok Strauss has come off,looks good,but he not a lower order player like Hussain could do bat at no4.
Collingwood is unproven,and he is only an all rounder,not really like for like.what if one of our major batters gets injured.

Who would you add to the squad,the batting is thin,new Zealand are a poor team,they have done nothing since they came,cant even beat county sides,Key,and Jones gave them a bashing though.

This batting will be put to the test on English wickets,with the likes of Best and Edwards,when the Windies bowl in Engish conditions,they may be rookies,but they are fast rookies.

Ernest

[dezz]

everyone sez they're **** but Nicky Peng(21,RHB) of Durham and Michael Carberry(LHB, 23) of Kent will be the future for Englands batting line in one day and tests. it would be ideal if they could both start in englands new look one day squad and then be drafted in like strauss into the test arena. it disappoints me that peng wasn't picked at the age of 19 when he first came into the game. he was awesome. his average then in two seasons dropped by 10 runs and he's just now starting to get back into form. i watched him and collingwood down at taunton a couple of weeks ago. peng outclassed collingwood by a mile against what is arguably the best bowling attack in the country with johnson,caddick,mclean,francis.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by dezz

everyone sez they're **** but Nicky Peng(21,RHB) of Durham and Michael Carberry(LHB, 23) of Kent will be the future for Englands batting line in one day and tests. it would be ideal if they could both start in englands new look one day squad and then be drafted in like strauss into the test arena. it disappoints me that peng wasn't picked at the age of 19 when he first came into the game. he was awesome. his average then in two seasons dropped by 10 runs and he's just now starting to get back into form. i watched him and collingwood down at taunton a couple of weeks ago. peng outclassed collingwood by a mile against what is arguably the best bowling attack in the country with johnson,caddick,mclean,francis.

Yep thats the Australian way,get them young,I dont know much abot the players you mentioned but I take your point.

At the moment we appear to be a good side,The Windies where poor at home,new Zealand are dissapointing,the test has yet to come.We have no cover for injuries,I mentioned Robert key,there will be others,also.

The selectors seem to be blind ,Strauss seems to have fit in,then there is Colingwood,what is he?who could he replace on a like for like basis.

Ther is a lot off class in our team,but who will replace Butcher,andThorpe when they go,I like your Idea,get them used to the England set up young,then they are noe over awed whe the call comes.

I am not Giles bashing,he had a good Test last time,but he has been poor prier to that for a while,We have a goog spinner at lancs,Keedy,never gets int the one day side even,were thay could have a look at him..

Ernest

[Nikhil]

When I first saw Collingwood, I thought he was a Bevan like player. Very good finisher in the ODI's. But it seems he is very Bevan like, and matches him even in tests. I hope the selectors pick a regular batsman over Collingwood. Collingwood's bowling is really nothing. There is no point in playing him as an all-rounder. I believe there are better batsmen around than Collingwood.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Nikhil

When I first saw Collingwood, I thought he was a Bevan like player. Very good finisher in the ODI's. But it seems he is very Bevan like, and matches him even in tests. I hope the selectors pick a regular batsman over Collingwood. Collingwood's bowling is really nothing. There is no point in playing him as an all-rounder. I believe there are better batsmen around than Collingwood.

Nikhil

Spot on,we have a good all-rounder in Flintoff,and being they have put Jones in Reads place,they can afford the option of another specialist batsman in the squad

[kriss]

Hate to disagree chaps but we need a back up to the four main seamers. If one of them breaks down we would be stuck.
Leeds is not a good place to be caught short if the wicket is good.

Adding Paul Collingwood to the side and we have a serious batting line up and a tail that begins at no.9. I think he's a good player who deserves a chance in a home test. I hope the pitch is suited to seam and he gets his chance.

[R W S]

Originally Posted by kriss

Hate to disagree chaps but we need a back up to the four main seamers. If one of them breaks down we would be stuck.
Leeds is not a good place to be caught short if the wicket is good.

Adding Paul Collingwood to the side and we have a serious batting line up and a tail that begins at no.9. I think he's a good player who deserves a chance in a home test. I hope the pitch is suited to seam and he gets his chance.

I like this reasoned thinking. Coupled with the series situation, one up with two to play, this makes sense to me. Also having PC in the team might just motivate Hoggard and the other front line bowlers.

It also shows that Team England is not just about the first XI but the whole squad.

I dont expect him to play in place of Ash though...

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by kriss

Hate to disagree chaps but we need a back up to the four main seamers. If one of them breaks down we would be stuck.
Leeds is not a good place to be caught short if the wicket is good.

Adding Paul Collingwood to the side and we have a serious batting line up and a tail that begins at no.9. I think he's a good player who deserves a chance in a home test. I hope the pitch is suited to seam and he gets his chance.

Kriss
We have a squad of players,and we should play them according to conditions,we are a specialist batsman short,we have an all-rounder in Flintoff.

key has no pretentions about playing at leeds,but his form has made the selectors at leasy take notice.

Ernest