Caddick Praises Hoggard

[Ernest]

Pete,So does that mean that because Harmison has bowled bad against South Africa, he is for the chop as well.

Hoggy went through a very poor patch, but was still selected.

It is the fact that Anderson has not been selected, it is the fact a cricket player has not been playing cricket.

I agree ff, some would like him to perform, others would not, but the politics of Nassa, overlapped with Vaughan, by that I mean if Nassa had still been captain Anderson would not have got so rusty, He was not wanted by Vaughan, that is what I meam about politics.

[Pete]

Harmison won't go anywhere, last year he took something like 66 wickets! Anderson was a good one day bowler, but he didn't do much of note in test matches.

Why do you want him so badly in the team when other people are playing well? At the moment Anderson couldn't even swing his way through an orgy.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

I agree ff, some would like him to perform, others would not, but the politics of Nassa, overlapped with Vaughan, by that I mean if Nassa had still been captain Anderson would not have got so rusty, He was not wanted by Vaughan, that is what I meam about politics.

I would call that prefernce - not politics...IMO a Political exclusion would be beacuse he was a lancastrian, not because Vaughan thought Jones would be the better option. That's not politics, that's something that all team selectors have to do.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Pete

Harmison won't go anywhere, last year he took something like 66 wickets! Anderson was a good one day bowler, but he didn't do much of note in test matches.

just my point when Harmison was in Australia,he did nothing in Test cricket, on the other habd Anderson did.
His strike rate in test Cricket is just a bit better than Hoggy, strike rate, not average, thing is Hoggy now has played more Tests.

Originally Posted by Pete

Why do you want him so badly in the team when other people are playing well? At the moment Anderson couldn't even swing his way through an orgy.

I dont want him in the team so badly, as you put it.
All I want to know is,do England have plans for him?,if not stop selecting him for the England squads, now you have it wrong here Pete, he did swing the ball, but he could not conrol it, I wonder if being out of practice had anything do do with it.

And Pete, you need to have been in training, to swing your way through an orgy.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

just my point when Harmison was in Australia,he did nothing in Test cricket, on the other habd Anderson did.
His strike rate in test Cricket is just a bit better than Hoggy, strike rate, not average, thing is Hoggy now has played more Tests.

Anderson didn't play test cricket in Australia. The only reason Harmison was playing was because there were no better alternatives at the time, now he's proved that he's got what it takes and we should persevere with him.

Anderson has always been too expensive if he doesn't get it right and hasn't ever shown that he's going to get it right all that often. Even in one day cricket he's hit and miss at times and when he's miss, he's bloody expensive, and that was during the best of his days in the team.

[Ernest]

You are right, my memory has failed me, so I stand corrected.

He made his ODI debut in Australia.

His Test wickets have cost 35, but has a good strike rate of 58, not bad for a bowler thown into the England team from the acadamy.

Harmison played because Simon jones and Flintoff got injured, Harmison would rather be a soccer player than a cricketer, and he don't like touring, and it shows.

Harmison will shine next year at home no doubt,but he does not seem to be a player who likes to tour, and that shows as well.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Harmison will shine next year at home no doubt,but he does not seem to be a player who likes to tour, and that shows as well.

It is true that he is not the greatest tourist, but that does not reflect on his commitement to England. Thorpe in the past has been a reluctant tourist, but you wouldn't question his commitement.

It is also true that Harmy is a big football fan and would have played proffesionally, but it was probaly the same with Alec Stewart and would you question his commitment to English Cricket.

At the present I would have Harmy over all but Hoggard as an England bowler.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

It is true that he is not the greatest tourist, but that does not reflect on his commitement to England. Thorpe in the past has been a reluctant tourist, but you wouldn't question his commitement.

He looks home sick, mind you ff, they have all roasted in south Africa.

I don't question his commitement to the England cricket team, but I think it was Mike or RWS, posted a link to the GBH interview, and he made no bones about the fact he would rather be playing soccer.

I have never been Hoggies favourite fan, but to be honest the way they have all bowled, I think (I can't be sure), for the 5th and final Test, I would go for Hoggy.

I think there will be a big difference later this year, give Harmison and Flintoff a rest, and the Ashes are there to be won.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

but I think it was Mike or RWS, posted a link to the GBH interview, and he made no bones about the fact he would rather be playing soccer.

Vaughan has said the same, It wouldn't surprise me if most of the team wanted to be footballers.

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Its hard to not think like that. England cricket captain gets fined a match fee which is probably less than the current england football captain spends on hair care products in a week !