Lloyd critical of 'rude' Vaughan

[Pete]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/4218593.stm

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

He said: "If he doesn't respect me, he should show respect for my position."

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

Lloyd insisted: "Vaughan made matters worse for himself with his dismissive and rude attitude. "I could have banned him for the fifth Test but imagine what that would have done if the England captain couldn't lead his team in a match to win the series and accept the trophy.

"I took all that into consideration and gave him the least of three possible penalties."

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

But Lloyd reflected: "He was not simply voicing an opinion - he made a clear statement which broke the rules and on top of that he implicated the South African team by suggesting they had influenced the umpires' decision."

I can only think that this guy doesn't know what rude is.

[Occasional Fan]

In fairness, Pete, we don't know what happened at the hearing with Lloyd, do we? He's not saying that Vaughan was rude in what he said publicly about the umpiring as I read this, but he is suggesting that Vaughan was rude and/or disrespectful at the hearing. Not sure how we can judge that. I do wonder, however, why Clive Lloyd has felt it appropriate to speak to the press in this way, especially given that there is a challenge being mounted against the fine by the PCA.

[Alison]

I think it's wrong of Lloyd to have said that in the press, in fact I would suggest that he is abusing his position, since Vaughna can't really make any reply to this attack on his character without getting into more trouble, after all players aren't allowed to publicly criticise umpires or match referees.

[Kirsty Harris]

This is unreal! Vaughan gets fined for making mild comments about the inconsistancy of the Umpires decisions regaurding light, but Lloyd can make a personal attack on Vaughan, and about a disciplinary case still being looked at, and that is completly o.k!!! I think it's a disgrace!!!

[Alison]

Too right, I think the ECB should make an official complaint about Clive Lloyd's behaviour here.

I also think that to have said that publicly, knowing that if Vaughan responds he'll get in trouble for criticising a match referee, was cowardly, only cowards attack other people when they know the person they're attacking can't respond.

[Kirsty Harris]

Yes, you are quite right, Alison - and I would hope that the PCA will use this outburst to their advantage in the appeal. I can hardly belive that someone in his postion would pull a stunt like this. I can only imagine he has had to deal with a lot of questions from people regaurding actions taken by Umpires in that game and has decided to try and off-load any blame or responsibility from his own back.

[Essex Eagle]

Theres a definite lawsuit in the offing here.

If i was Vaughan i would be 'steaming' that i can be slandered in the press by a match referee without having the right to reply to his words without fear of being fined or banned further.

I think most people are of the opinion that captains shouldnt speak about umpires to the press however

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Clive Lloyd

He said: "If he doesn't respect me, he should show respect for my position." Vaughan could have been banned for the final Test after giving a television interview in which he said the umpires had not acted consistently in going off for bad light on the second day of the match.

What has caused this has been the very poor umpiring in this series, Clive Lloyd is a fair man, and maybe he was fed up with getting his ear bashed fron all quarters.

Vaughan may well be a captain with attitude, the very sort of attitude that may well bring the Ashes back to England.

Seems to me vaughan made his point, the umpires did not like it, Vaughan was probaly rude to Clive Lloyed, (everyone else is).
Vaughan stood up and told the truth, he is not allowed to do that, he had his knuckles rapped. Big Wow.

Right or wrong, he could have been banned.

Clive Lloyd is the man in the middle of the two sides, he is not a vindictive man, nor is he an unfair man, I don't think there is a need for his possition.

I dont blame Vaughan he has grit, but he knows the rules.

[Alison]

I've just looked some things up, and I'm wondering how the following might apply to this case

4 The Referee must not make any detrimental written or spoken comment

in the media/press about any Tour, Test Match or ODI Match in which he

is involved.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Alison

I've just looked some things up, and I'm wondering how the following might apply to this case

It would seem Alison that if your rules are correct, then the following would apply.

1) The umpires were poor, and agent provocateur in this matter.
2) Vaughan was rude, and broke the rules himself, so enter :-
3) Clive Lloyd, it would appear broke the rules, following vaughan breaking the rules, following incompitent umpiring.