Fourth one-day international, Cape Town:6th Febuary. >

[Ernest]

                      M    I  NO  Runs   HS     Ave     SR 100  50   Ct  St

Batting & Fielding   62   60   7  1525   90*  28.77  68.91   0  12   20   0
 

If you look at Vaughans one day batting average, you will see over 62 matches, he only averages 28.77, not goood enough to merit his place in the one day team.

[Pete]

His strike rate isn't good either. Plus his fielding is ****.

I'd like to see Solanki at 3 and Vaughan move into Bell's place. The Sky crew were talking about him opening the batting with Tres, the same commentators that were moaning when he failed batting at number 1 too.

<-- Doesn't look sarcastic enough, it's too friendly.

[Pete]

His highest average is at number 3..

32 innings, 4 not outs, 8 fifties, 0 hundreds, highest 90 not out Vs. Zimbabwe and 974 runs at an average of 34.68.

[Ernest]

I dont see why they just don't drop him from the one day set up, along with Harmison, and now we have Pieterson batting OK, Flintoff can concentrate on Test cricket also, if we can find a bowler to replace him .

like who ??????

[John]

jot1 why no joy John ? Actually I am quiet pleased.
I am a bit older than you and used to the media getting despondent when we lose or overexcited when we lose. Hopefully at the of the ODI we have turned a corner. And can rebuild a strong side and it will be once again be difficult to beat us at home.
As for Vaughan if he keeps on being selected for England in this series it suits me. He slows down the scoring rate as soon as he comes in but unlike Kallis (who also starts slowly )doesn't build an innings.

[Pete]

I wouldn't drop Vaughan from the team altogether, just drop him down the order.

[Occasional Fan]

I'm with you on that, Pete. He might want to have a chat with Fletcher about where he should bat, but the idea of dropping England's captain really needs to be belted swiftly out of the ground. We've tried the "one team, two captains" approach before, and no-one was all that happy with it. Unless and until we decide to split the one-day team from the test team completely (by which I really mean everything from coaching staff and management, through the selectors and right the way to the players themselves - which isn't going to happen soon), we have to have one captain, IMO. And Vaughan is the man we need - he's the best hope we have for the contest that matters, starting in July.

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

We need strauss opening with tresco, read in for jones, and I'm still not convinced vaughan is anywhere remotely a ODI bat. Useful backup bowler first class captain so if he has to be in, I'd have him at 6. Bowling, blimey where do you start. Young kabir Ali is looking the best followed by gough and thats only in patches, hoggy hasnt looked the part (looked knakered) and Harmo, well, less said about him the better. Stick him on a plane home and tell him to get his head out his ****. If we lose the next one, bring in jimmy, at least he looks as though he can take a wciket in ODIs

[Milo]

Vaughan appears to be the same hinderance to England's one day batting line up as Hussain was. If the ball isn't going to the ropes, they just cannot score runs quickly enough. Not what you want for a number 3.

[Ernest]

Rich,
I think Vaughan should step down for a few reasons.
1) He is a crap one day player.
2) This won't change, no matter where you place him in the order.
3) We dont wanr our Test Captain getting into loosing ways.
4) His confidence will suffer.
5) One day cricket does not matter that much.

I think one day cricket should be kept seperate from Test cricket.
From wherever they can, they should scratch together :-

5 Specialist batsmen.
1 Keeper/batsman.
1 All rounder.
4 Specialist bowlers.

If we can't select a one day team on these lines, it reflects poor on the counties.

Originally Posted by Occasional Fan

I'm with you on that, Pete. He might want to have a chat with Fletcher about where he should bat, but the idea of dropping England's captain really needs to be belted swiftly out of the ground. We've tried the "one team, two captains" approach before,

Can't say I agree her OF, the man is a poor one day player full stop.

I may have to stand corrected, but I can't remember the two captain approach being tried with the England side, and if it has, for how long?.
My main worry for vaughan, and the other Test players, is when they have had a long Test Series, they deserve a break, Harmison has said he wants to come home, I wonder how many others (including Vaughan) want to come home as well.

just my opinion but the present one day set up, has not worked for a while, they Had to call Flintoff up last year, with just one leg.