When Flintoff Returns to ODIs, What Then??, For Pieterson??..>

[theguvnor]

Imagine England on 200 for 5 after 30 overs, and Flintoff and Pieterson at the crease together, could be carnage, just let them both be on form at the same time, and watch the records tumble.

Id say if we are 200 after 30 overs it would be carnage already. Plus why would one of them by in at 7?

I think we are a batter short in our ODI team, we get to 6 out and giles is in, he is a steady batter, but i still tihnk we lack that allrounder, enter freddie flintoff. Why drop a batter, drop ali for flintoff. Makes our batting 10 times as strong and makes our bowling better also. Then we will have batting to number 8. Also then we could put in a keeper who doesnt cost us so many runs down at number8, who can also still bat better than giles = read or why not try prior?
Id have:

tresco
strauss
vaughan
solanki/bell
flintoff
pietersen
collingwood
jones/prior/read (depending on whether you want better batting down the order or just a keeper who can actually keep)
giles
gough
harmison

Looks a bloudy strong team to me, and whichever one out of bell and solanki doesnt make the team will be 12th man and a vital fielder.
how good is the fielding team = bell,strauss,solanki,collingwood along with safe hands of freddie and pietersen.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Zainub Razvi

Hoggard, everyone says he's not a one-day bowler, but the man himself, if anyone read his columns at BBC, was thrilled to be a part of the one-day side after a long gap, and he was very determined to prove everyone wrong. I know he's hasn't exactly set the world on fire, and that he might as well be tired, but the suggestion that he too much of a line and length bowler so he cannot do it at one-days seems incorrect to me, one of the best one-day bowlers ever (Glenn McGrath) is your trademark line-&-lenghth bowler.

Hoggy and McGrath bowl very different lengths. McGrath is far taller than Hoggy and bowls just short of a good length, Hoggy to succeed in Test mathces has to pitch the ball well up to the batsman.

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by tigerlillythe7th

Until that happens, I think that my team would be: Tres, G Jones, Vaughan, Strauss, Flintoff, Pietersen, Solanki, Collingwood, Giles, Ali/Wharf, Gough.

You'd seriously continue with Jones opening and have Pietersen batting down at six ? This line up would stop the most destructive batsmen from getting to the crease until late in the innings.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Ernest

My problem here that look at England injury and stress problems, Test should be seperate IMHO, maybe in certain circumstances, a little cross over, but players should rest after a hard Test Series.

I don't think we can possibly judge how good bad certain of these England players are at the one-day level on the basis of their performances in this series, especially those players who have also played in the test series, I think the entire squad looks tired and given the option most of them would probably be wanting to rest now then play cricket, so you can't possibly know how good and affective they actually are when they are in such a state of mind.

This is a one off series, with the most ridiculous schedule I have ever seen, with back-to-back-to-back test matches, and 3 one-day games in 5 days, few players in the world would be able to perform well consistently if they're asked to play with such schedules, which as we have seen has been more or less the case with the performances of both South African and English players in both the test and one-day series as well.

[Milo]

Great (or even good players) should be able to play both forms of the game - and they do.

Richards, Greenidge, Waugh M, Hayden, Haynes, Crowe, Martyn, Ponting, Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Javed, Azhar, Lloyd, Dravid, Jayasuriya, Kirsten, Youhana, Inzamam, Jones, Boon, Lara, Kallis to name but a few.

Akram, Ambrose, Donald, McGrath, Garner, Imran, Pollock, Marshall, Holding, McDermott, Younis, Hadlee, Warne, Murali.....the list is endless.

To talk about Australia chsoing not to play Steve Waugh after about 325 one day internationals is an irrelevant fact. He did have a very successful one day career. The fact he was dropped did not mean he couldn't play the game. He played over 300 games for goodness sake. And we're trying to be told Australia didn't selct him for both forms of the game. He got old, simple as that.

To be honest, at the moment there would be very little difference between the world XI in both forms of the game.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

Hoggy and McGrath bowl very different lengths. McGrath is far taller than Hoggy and bowls just short of a good length, Hoggy to succeed in Test mathces has to pitch the ball well up to the batsman.

Fair point, but I'm still not convinced, Hoggard my inside tells me can be a good one-day bowler if he works on it. Ernie's proabably is right about the fact that he shouldn't have played in this series in particular (because the test series schedule was pretty strenious in its own rights) but I'm thinkning about the future. I don't quite see any reason why Hoggard cannot become a decent one-day bowler. I don't think he is as one-dimensional as everyone makes him out to be. He certainly doesn't think so. And I think I'd like to believe him.

[Zainub]

Exactly my point Milo, thanks for backing it up so well

[tigerlillythe7th]

Originally Posted by Notts Exile

You'd seriously continue with Jones opening and have Pietersen batting down at six ? This line up would stop the most destructive batsmen from getting to the crease until late in the innings.

In all honesty I hadn't really thought about the actual batting line-up, just about the personnel..you make a good point so I'd be tempted to put Strauss opening, Jones at 8 & shift everybody else that's affected up a place.