Why can't England have a ready trained up wicketkeeper?.

[Ernest]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/4302047.stm

I am confused here!

Originally Posted by BBC

Former England and Gloucestershire wicket-keeper Jack Russell has been called in to give coaching to current national team gloveman Geraint Jones. Jones did not have the best of tours in South Africa, dropping catches and conceding too many byes.

This is no big secret,we all know what happened.

Originally Posted by Source BBC

Now England coach Duncan Fletcher has sought out the 54-Test veteran.

Good idea, why has no one thought of it before?.

Originally Posted by Russell

Russell told the Daily Express: "Duncan and captain Michael Vaughan have asked me to build a relationship with Geraint and give him whatever help he needs.

Jack Russell was a great wicket keeper, who would have pleased Fletcher with his strange but effective batting skills, but what does Vaughan and co expect him to do with Jones with so little time left before the Ashes series?.

I have not opened up this debate again! vaughan has, he is saying Jones is not up to the job so much so, he has to bring in Jack Russell to help out Jones at the 11th hour.
Am I missing somthing?,or does only I think that an easier and more safe option would be to select a keeper who can actually keep wicket now and ready for the summer?.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...nd/4302047.stm

[Pete]

Is there EVER a week without this debate?

Everytime this comes up, the conversation goes nowhere.

[Ernest]

Pete,

Jones did not have the best of tours in South Africa, dropping catches and conceding too many byes.

Pete there is a difference in this debate, for the first time it would appear Vaughan has realised there is a problem with Jones keeping, that is a new angle.
Why go to all these lengths to try and get him right for the Ashes, these debates would end if we had a keeper, up with the best.
Follow the link Pete, Vaughan has brought this to the fore, Read never got coached by the likes of Boycott for his batting, did he?.
If jones is such a good batter, and I have nothing against Jones, then play him as a batsman, there are vacances at the top I believe, but if the England managment think his keeping has such short comings, common sence says select a keeper.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cri...and/4302047.stm

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Read never got coached by the likes of Boycott for his batting, did he?.

Why would they bring in Boycott? Duncan Fletcher is a batting coach

[Alison]

Originally Posted by Ernest

vaughan has, he is saying Jones is not up to the job so much so, he has to bring in Jack Russell to help out Jones at the 11th hour.

Where did anyone actually say or imply that in that article? Or is it simply the fact that they've decided to provide a wicketkeeping coach? Jack Russell doesn't seem to think that judging by what he is quoted as saying, and I would assume he would know what makes a good keeper.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Pete

Why would they bring in Boycott? Duncan Fletcher is a batting coach

Yes but he is England coach full stop, he can't do everything, did he ever coach Read?.

Originally Posted by Alison 39689

Where did anyone actually say or imply that in that article? Or is it simply the fact that they've decided to provide a wicketkeeping coach? Jack Russell doesn't seem to think that judging by what he is quoted as saying, and I would assume he would know what makes a good keeper.

Originally Posted by Russell

Russell told the Daily Express: "Duncan and captain Michael Vaughan have asked me to build a relationship with Geraint and give him whatever help he needs.

They said it here, they have asked Jack Russell to help G O Jones, he has problems, he had a poor tour to South Africa, what can Russell do in 4 or 5 months before the Ashes?.
I have no doubt Russell does know a potential kepper, but time is running out, the Ashes start in July, I would not like to see the likes of Ponting dropped on 20 or so.

[Beny]

Gilly has had the same problem before... Jones is out of Form, he'll get over it.

[Zainub]

People are making a mountain out of a mole here thinks, I don't think this necessarily indicates that Duncan and Vaughan have a problem with Jones' keeping; I reckon they must be thinking on the lines of improvement, and I don’t have a problem with that at all. If a team has young wicket keepers in their team they should have a wicket keeping coach.

I’m a big advocate of having specialist coaches for each and every department of the game, if you can have one for bowling, batting and fielding, why forget keeping? It’s quite a different skill then other fortes of the game, and does in my humble opinion require coaching, especially if you have someone young in your team as the keeper, which is what most test teams have these days. I think England should have had Russell as coach even if Read and not Jones had been in the team.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Beny

Gilly has had the same problem before... Jones is out of Form, he'll get over it.

I wish Gilly was our keeper , I will keep our bowlers,

Originally Posted by Zainub

if you have someone young in your team as the keeper, which is what most test teams have these days. I think England should have had Russell as coach even if Read and not Jones had been in the team.

Well I agree, we should have had Russell coaching a while ago, what I am saying, it's a bit late in the day, Russell has only 5 months to work with him.

England have a stern test against Australia, we need to be on top of our game in every department IMHO.

Russell as a long tem coach, with you 100%.

[Zainub]

Originally Posted by Ernie

Well I agree, we should have had Russell coaching a while ago, what I am saying, it's a bit late in the day, Russell has only 5 months to work with him

Better late then never I would say. Ashes is not the be all and end all... ...oh well may be it is for some people, but IMHO, it shouldn't be... England's progress and their ultimate goal of being the best will continue even after the Ashes (regardless of the result if you're optimistic enough, which in your case I don't doubt one bit ) so we should perhaps be looking at the bigger picture and not just the Ashes.

And who is to guarantee Jones will definately not improve one bit in 5 months time? Can anyone say that 100% assurity? Its not that Russel will have to start from a scrath, is it? He will have at his disposal a talented guy, who is perhaps good enough, and only going wrong in one tiny aspect of his game, which might need correction.

Beny's probably right in saying he's just out of form, and five months under the best English keeper of recent times could me more then enough to get you back into form.