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Old 09-03-2005, 03:06 PM in reply to yorkie's post starting "Not even close? Well his captaincy..."
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Not even close? Well his captaincy record so far, makes him one player who will go in the history books, and this record i feel is only going to improve in future years. You may think i am biased, being a yorkie and all, but at the end of they day his captaincy record is brilliant, and in a few years this alone, will make him an english great.
For me, it's a bit early in the day to say Vaughan will 'go down in history' - certainly, he has made a great start to his Captincy, but to be fair, even with his successes, we won't know just how good a Captin he is until the Ashes series; when he will be tested to his limits. That isn't to say I don't think he will do well - I think he will do a very good job, but it is a big test for him. None the less, he has done excellent work with the side - who could have imagined the progress England have made under him and Hussain back in 1999?

I think Vaughan will relish the challenge presented by the Aussies and would predict he will have a good series with the bat - I think Vaughan is at his best playing against the best bowlers, and he won't be short on confidence
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:19 PM in reply to Seamer's post starting "Has'nt hit yet but it looks like it..."
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If you consider Vaughan's record as false, based primarily on his record against "weaker" teams, then the same can be said Ricky Ponting. Every team im afraid is weaker than Austrailia, so is his record false too?

Im sure it is not, and it is because hes a great captain,,,just like Vaughan
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:24 PM in reply to yorkie's post starting "If you consider Vaughan's record as..."
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What has Vaughan ever managed to achieve as captain of the England one day side? It could be argued that one day cricket often shows the true worth of a skipper, with bowling changes and fielding positions being a stiffer test of their captaining skills.

Judge Vaughan after the Ashes and not before.
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:29 PM in reply to Milo's post starting "What has Vaughan ever managed to..."
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Judge Vaughan after the Ashes and not before.
Vaughan has won ever Test series that he has captained, with only one lost game aginst South Africa, does not matter a lot about the one day stuff, he would be better away from that.
But having said that Milo, you asked what had been achieved in the one day stuff, well we beat Australia in the that ICCC tournement last year, so we beat the best,
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:36 PM in reply to yorkie's post starting "If you consider Vaughan's record as..."
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If you consider Vaughan's record as false, based primarily on his record against "weaker" teams, then the same can be said Ricky Ponting. Every team im afraid is weaker than Austrailia, so is his record false too?

Im sure it is not, and it is because hes a great captain,,,just like Vaughan
Yorkie, i am not saying Vaughan is'nt a potentialy great captain - time will tell. But to be fair, beating India in India or Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is a far cry from beating NZ,WI,SA
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Old 09-03-2005, 03:45 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Vaughan has won ever Test series that..."
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But having said that Milo, you asked what had been achieved in the one day stuff, well we beat Australia in the that ICCC tournement last year, so we beat the best,
Hilarious. You mention one game played at the end of the English summer where the two teams that reached the final were the only teams to play any cricket in the preceeding three months. Remind me what Vaughan's team did in the final.

Also remind me who captained England in Sri Lanka. This time next year we will have a lot better idea of Vaughan's captaining qualities.
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Old 09-03-2005, 06:14 PM in reply to Milo's post starting "Hilarious. You mention one game played..."
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Hilarious. You mention one game played at the end of the English summer where the two teams that reached the final were the only teams to play any cricket in the preceeding three months. Remind me what Vaughan's team did in the final.
The point being, we reached the final, another point England are a poor one day team, so it makes me wonder why you are judging Vaughan on one day cricket, look at the one day sides England had last year, a bunch of bits and pieces players.

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Also remind me who captained England in Sri Lanka. This time next year we will have a lot better idea of Vaughan's captaining qualities.
vaughan did, he was new to the job, simple as that.
The truth about his record as captain http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/St...erformance.asp..
He could only play who was in front of him, and south Africa at home are no pushover.
 M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
55 99 8 4023 197 44.20 51.03 13 12 34 0


His average aint that bad either, we will know no more about him next year than we do now, the only thing we will know, who is the worlds best team, England or Australia.

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Correct and obdurate, with a priceless ability to forget the previous delivery, Michael Vaughan faced up to his first ball in Test cricket with England four wickets down for two runs on a damp flyer at Johannesburg, and drew immediate comparisons with Michael Atherton for his inhumanly calm aura at the crease. But, despite the obvious similarities between the two – from their Mancunian heritage to their indifference to sledging – Vaughan soon demonstrated he was more than just a like-for-like replacement. He flitted on the fringes of the Test team for two years and four victorious series, but once he had made the place his own, Vaughan blossomed magnificently, playing with a freedom of expression that Atherton had never dared to approach. Nirvana duly came in 2002. Batting like a watertight David Gower, with a cover-drive to die for and a punishing pull up his sleeve, Vaughan sparkled his way to 900 runs in seven Tests against Sri Lanka and India, the prelude to a formidable series in Australia in which he became the first visiting batsman for 32 years to top 600 runs. As befits a man who has learnt to throw caution to the wind, Vaughan's only weakness, other than a fear of the nervous 190s, is a Goweresque fondness for the daft dismissal - such as at Bangalore in December 2001, where he became only the second Englishman after Graham Gooch to be given out handled the ball in Tests. Despite the fact that his one-day record at the time scarcely matched up to his impressive Test figures, he was appointed captain of England's one-day side in time for the 2003 home season, and inherited the Test captaincy two weeks later when Nasser Hussain abdicated out of the blue. Vaughan survived a torrid baptism, including a record-breaking defeat at Lord's, to guide his team to a 2-2 draw. After a stutter in Sri Lanka, he confirmed the arrival of a new era by routing West Indies on their home soil, the first time in three decades an England team had achieved such a feat. Returning home, he won seven out of seven Tests by whitewashing first New Zealand (3-0) then West Indies (4-0) to make it 13 wins from 14 matches.
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Old 09-03-2005, 07:33 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "The point being, we reached the final,..."
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I tell if Vaughan starts batting well he is up there with best in the world. There is no doubt about his ability. I really feared him when they were playing against SA because he has done it against the best.
Vaughan is someone who can make a difference. If Australia can keep him quiet they are a long way on the road to winning.
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Old 09-03-2005, 11:48 PM in reply to John's post starting "I tell if Vaughan starts batting well..."
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I just hope Vaughn and England dont attempt the New Zealand "lets bore Glen and the crowd to death by not scoring" technique.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:01 PM in reply to acker's post starting "I just hope Vaughn and England dont..."
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I'm seeing people comment on how Englands record since Vaughans became captain isn't brilliant?? What could he do better? Hes won us every test and that doesnt normally happen with England.. So it can't be anything less than brilliant...

Just a curious question Australia last played South Africa in South Africa.. What was the test match score?
 


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