Vaughan

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Ok he did ok in Pakistan, with no pace in the wicket, we will see how he plays Shoaib in English conditions

If he does well, will you finally accept that on this particular issue you are wrong!!

The boy has something, it has been noted from an early age, and he will be a major player for England. Just wait and see. His stats are much better than Key's, but it only tells half the story, he is potentially a very classy player, with a much better technique and a much better temprament.

As for Vaughan you can drop him, but it would be a huge error, as Coly said, he is class.

Finally, Butcher hasn't retired....

[Vrock]

I wouldn't look at Key unless everyone else in contention that we have mentioned is either injured/dropped/retired. I'm not saying he isn't a good batsmen but he hasn't played well in tests and I think his fitness would surely be an issue as well.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

If he does well, will you finally accept that on this particular issue you are wrong!!

Yes I would be glad to!

Originally Posted by flanflinger

As for Vaughan you can drop him, but it would be a huge error, as Coly said, he is class.

Was class! - I think we are hanging on to the fact that he was captain when England won the Ashes mainly due to their great pace attack, more than him being captain.

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Finally, Butcher hasn't retired....

No I have not long since done a thread about him wanting to come back into the England side.
On a serious point here I think I respect Butcher more than any other player because I remember he could not get into the Surrrey side, but the England selectors still chose him, that selection was inspired, and Butcher responded, I would feel a lot happier with the England side, with him in the team.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Yes I would be glad to!

Good, lets chat about him again in the Autumn

Originally Posted by Ernest

Was class! .

I think you are very wrong. What do they say about form and class.. I believe you don't lose that class.

Originally Posted by Ernest

I would feel a lot happier with the England side, with him in the team.

I love Butch too (I am a Surrey fan after all) but I wouldn't put him in the team over two great prospects (Bell and Pietersen) and the skipper Vaughan