Michael Vaughan and The Ashes

[Notts Exile]

Vaughan obviously thinks he's bigger than the team as a whole. The guy hasn't even been named in the squad and he's coming out with this rubbish.

"At one stage it looked as though it would be the World Cup for the comeback but now I am so ahead of schedule there is a possibility that I may be back in time for the last two Tests."

[greg]

I wouldn't pick him myself.Then again i wouldn't have Giles on the tour either.

OUT FOR TOO LONG.

[Zainub]

Oh Giles, you know what, I was just about to start a new thread asking you guys about him. Whatever happened to him? Our hero, I may add. Seems like ages since I read anything about him at all. And he's in the Ashes squad? How lovely. But what happened to all the injuries he had, did he not need a hip replacement? When did he recover?

[greg]

Giles is in the squad for the ICC Trophy and Ashes but hasn't played one match all season so i doubt he will do much even if he is picked.I can't see how he will be picked ahead of Panesar in the ashes so he may only play at Sydney and by then he may have found some form.

His 2nd operation must have been a success.

[Mr Hutt]

I really do not understand why giles was picked greg... ahead of monty either... imo that chapter of englands spin was good but its now finished.. time to turn the page, as for the great vaughn comeback i dont know why but i do think he may be back in the ashes, just a hunch

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Mr Hutt

as for the great vaughn comeback i dont know why but i do think he may be back in the ashes, just a hunch

If he does play I would suggest it means very bad things have happened and we are getting a good spanking over there.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by greg

I can't see how he will be picked ahead of Panesar in the ashes

That depends on Flintoff: if the big man is fully fit and ready to lead the attack then England can play Collingwood at 6, Flintoff at 7 and Read at 8 ahead of three specialist bowlers... but if Flintoff isn't 100% then England will have to ditch a batsman and bring in an additional bowler.... and then Giles would be very much in the frame as the only really credible no 8.

On Vaughan: he's still recognised as the England captain (not least by Flintoff) so I don't see why he shouldn't be talking about the timing of his return - though it will be interesting to see who makes way for him!

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Rachael

On Vaughan: he's still recognised as the England captain (not least by Flintoff) so I don't see why he shouldn't be talking about the timing of his return

Surely not in a Series he hasn't even been selected for?!!

[Ernest]

I really can't see Rachael's Logic, batting Flintoff at 7 just to accommodate a player who is not a one day player even when fit.

How anyone can advocate playing Vaughan in front of Flintoff in the pajama game really does beggar belief.

Pietersen and Flintoff are bound to be the cornerstones of the England batting.

EDIT: This thread is about the Ashes, not the ICC Trophy as I was thinking - even so Vaughan before Flintoff at 7 is still unthinkable.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by Ernest

I really can't see Rachael's Logic, batting Flintoff at 7 just to accommodate a player who is not a one day player even when fit [...] How anyone can advocate playing Vaughan in front of Flintoff in the pajama game really does beggar belief.

Hmmm... maybe you should re-read my post. The talk is of Vaughan returning to the Test side this winter: if all goes well he might be fully fit (if not match fit) by the 4th Test. Whether he'll be sufficiently MATCH fit is questionable... though he's supposedly going to be playing domestic cricket of some description.

I suspect his return will depend on how desperate England are...