Flintoff Skipper

[Alison]

Sorry for the delay in replying to this, I got distracted by a number of other things.

Originally Posted by Ernest

I was talking more 2004 or 2005, but stats are unrelibale for Flintoff early on, because of his terrible start to his career.
I won't go back to 2004, suffice with 2005.

 Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
 
unfiltered 67 3381 167 32.50 5 24 197 5/58 32.02 2 44 0
filtered 7 402 102 40.20 1 3 33 5/78 24.03 1 4 0

This is just 2005 - we all know what he did in 2004, but 2005 mixes in with 2006 and I was not going that far.

Actually, if you look at those stats properly, it's not 2005, it's the summer of 2005, and since he didn't bat in the series against Bangladesh, it's actually just his stats for the 2005 Ashes.

So going back to what I asked you to provide stats for, you were claiming that Flintoff had been batting better than #1, #2 and #3, and if you check the batting averages for that series, you'll find that Trescothick averaged higher than Flintoff. I would add, that just providing Flintoff's statistics for any one period doesn't actually answer my point, as you were claiming he averages more than other players - well to prove or disprove that, you need to provide their statistics as well.

Further, you've used as evidence one of the two series in the last two years in which Flintoff did manage to average more than 30 with the bat, what about all the series in that time in which he failed with the bat and averaged less than 30?