Nixon sucks

[EllN]

Vaughn will open again inm the summer, chris read/james foster will be keeper, they will ask pieterson too bat at number 4 even though he averages around 60 batting at 5, bell 3 colly 5 and freddie 6 but i think that freddie is fit enough an pieteson is a good enough bowler to include colly and play harmison monty an hoggy, but knowing fletcher he will play plunket at 8 as he belives him too be good enough with the bat and poor belly will miss out because he didnt make a hundred in the ashes series but i think, cook should learn his trade a little bit more in county cricket and bell with a good nough technique could bat at three.

[Rachael]

My guess for the summer remains as follows: not guaranteed.. and dependent on Fletcher taking a different job... but favourite:

Strauss
Cook
Bell
Vaughan
KP
Collingwood
Flintoff
<keeper>
Hoggard
Panesar
<seamer>

I'd like to think the <keeper> would be Read... but that depends on the new coach wanting to judge him for himself. The <seamer> position is tougher... and whilst Harmison is in pole position... Jones should get the nod if he returns to full form and fitness... and Anderson is as likely as either of the others to win through.

My 2nd favourite option would have Vaughan opening and Joyce entering at 5...

Sadly, if Fletcher remains I suspect the 5-man attack will continue and some un-necessary (if effective) seamer will be taking a place that Cook or Joyce could fill to greater effect.. and Read will be at Notts.

[darksideofthemoon]

Fletcher might pick something like this.

1 Strauss
2 Cook
3 Vaughan
4 Pietersen
5 Collingwood
6 Flintoff
7 Nixon
8 Giles
9 Hoggard
10 Harmison
11 Jones

12th man Plunkett

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by darksideofthemoon

Fletcher might pick something like this.

More like this:

Vaughan
Tresco
Pietersen
Clark
Collingwood
Flintoff
Dalrymple
Nixon
Giles
Plunkett
Mahmood

There you go: 9 bowling options.. batting down to XI... plenty of pace... and a side that couldn't beat bangladesh (at least IN Bangladesh).

[Notts Exile]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Yes, here's another thing that makes me cross; David Graveney saying that everyone who said that Fletcher should be sacked over the player's performance on tour should get down on bended knee and hand him the most tremendous apology..

Why should Fletcher get an apology? Everything that was said was true, a few ODI victories doesn't cover up everything that went before.

I wonder if they'll give Chris Read an apology for the public humiliation before the Brisbane Test? I didn't think so. I doubt Ready enjoyed his stay out there at all. I also don't believe we'll ever hear his side of it properly.

[Richie Benauds Love Child]

Actually thats what worries me most. A ODI knockabout victory and all of a sudden the tour isnt a disaster. Rhubarb. It might have been better for england long term if we didnt qualify for the final at all.

[Statto]

Originally Posted by Rachael

Vaughan
Tresco
Pietersen
Clark
Collingwood
Flintoff
Dalrymple
Nixon
Giles
Plunkett
Mahmood

There you go: 9 bowling options.. batting down to XI... plenty of pace... and a side that couldn't beat bangladesh (at least IN Bangladesh).

Im sure all 10 outfielders have bowled in ODIs, who were you discrediting as a genuine pie chucking option? Have we got a keeper who can bowl a bit if required, just in case 6 of the others break down?

[darksideofthemoon]

Originally Posted by Rachael

More like this:

Vaughan
Tresco
Pietersen
Clark
Collingwood
Flintoff
Dalrymple
Nixon
Giles
Plunkett
Mahmood

There you go: 9 bowling options.. batting down to XI... plenty of pace... and a side that couldn't beat bangladesh (at least IN Bangladesh).

You can read Fletcher like a book, Rachael.

[Richard Jenkins]

i found myself lauging at Oliver's assement and nodding at RBLC's rhubarb. It just seems to me that this keeper position is a badly thought out thing

Because Gilchrist had done the business for australia doesn't mean that England (or whoever) can wheel out a gilchrist wannabe and hey presto we win the ashes/world cup:etc



The last "great" keeper for England?

1)Alec Stewart, who still commands a place now and hes in his 40's (there still hope for me then!)
was he great behind the sticks? or was he a batsman who wasnt half bad at keeping?

2)Perhaps England would have been beter with jack russel who was someone world class behind the sumps and not too bad at batting.(he scored a few test centuries and stonwalled the south africans)
If you look at both of those players, Nixon makes me laugh(in a bad way), Geraint Jones makes me sick and Chris Read makes me think 'why doesn't he tell them to stick it?'

the whole debate about Englands keeper seems mired in Fletchers inability to choose someone decent.
Jones got a long run in the test side and should now be discarded for a least a season in order to see if his hunger is still there
Read should be given a last chance in the test side to see if he really can do it.
I think the ideas about James foster having a trial have merit. i'd like to see what he could do in the test side.


For the one day side we need someone sharp behind the stumps. Nixon drives me bonkers. G. Jones Bores me to tears. Read won't get a chance, so why not Foster?


Cricket seems quite healthy for choices now.

Joyce,Solanki,Cook (plus o few others ) fighting to get in.

Loye just seems five years too late for the trst side (and ten years too late for the ODIO side)
Nixon fits the mould of bonkers wicket keepers (like jack russel)

Why is it that talent has been kept out of the English side because of captains or coaches? Look at Gower,who couldn't play with gooch, or Boycott who was past over too quickly, or lots of others I could mention.

I think if Cook is too good to be left out of the test side then the same for foster.

Please Duncan, not Jones again. And not Nixon. (he is one of those cricketers who just annoy me. it's hard to explain but he really really bugs me)


England were the third best side in that ODI contest. And we won the trophy.

The ODI side is a long way away from the sides that went to the final in the 80's

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Richard Jenkins

England were the third best side in that ODI contest. And we won the trophy.

Well England are a poor one day side - but it was players like Loye who you say is "ten years to late" and Nixon with his cocky atitude who got England that Trophy, no team IMO who wins a Trophy deserves to do so.

Originally Posted by Richard jenkins

The ODI side is a long way away from the sides that went to the final in the 80's

England used to be a good one day side, in the days of Night and Faibrother and the like, but they never did win the World cup, at it's best the England one day side was always second best IMO - so nothing has really changed.