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Old 19-04-2007, 09:19 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "I'm with Greg. Either Michael Vaughan..."
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but that he is still the only captain we have for tests and a bloody good one at that.
Yes he is a very good captain, but I don't think his test form is that good either, so for him to remain in the England side - either his test form will have to pick up, or the rest of the England batting will have to be good enough to carry him.
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Old 20-04-2007, 12:59 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Yes he is a very good captain, but I..."
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What's his story Ern, mortgage to big and he cant afford the pay reduction ? or do his personal sponsorship deals revolve around him playing his cricket in colored clothing ?
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But I still believe I'm a very good captain - I'm not retiring.
He means one day cricket, will the England selectors back what he says?.
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Old 20-04-2007, 01:32 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "He must believe what he says acker. He..."
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Originally Posted by Michael Vaughan
But I still believe I'm a very good captain - I'm not retiring.

Sounds like he may be an ideal canditate for coach, really the days of proffesional captains retired with Mike Brearley. I'm sure he might be a very good captain but can the English one day squad afford an out of form batting passenger.
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The answer to that is clearly "No". He's got to go from the ODI set up.
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I will give credit to Vaughan that he and the others at least took up the challenge even though they did not win.

I hope the "new" England management does not get sucked in to re floating the SS Trescothwick in the national team. Because history shows he just avoids the challenge.

If I was in a fight I would much prefer having Vaughan watch my back rather than Trecothwick
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If I was in a fight I would much prefer having Vaughan watch my back rather than Trecothwick
I believe acker that if Vaughan is watching your back for whatever reason, I reckon you should do so also.
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Ah ah now we know who shot Freddie.
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Vaughan's situation has strong similarities with the Ganguly captaincy awhile ago. When Greg Chappell took over as coach of the India side in May 2005 Ganguly's form was a major concern and his captaincy was under threat. The series in Zimbabwe in Aug/Sept 2005 was Ganguly's last as captain. Chappell obviously felt that keeping an out of form captain was not the way forward.

As an aside: some in the media feel that Chappell's short term as coach was a failure. He was recruited to plan and implement India's World Cup campaign. At the time he took over as coach India was number three in Test cricket and number eight in one-day cricket. Today, India is number four in Test cricket and number six in one-day cricket. However, despite rising in the one-day rankings they failed to reach the Super 8 stage in the World Cup. I presume the Indian fans would view this as a failure.

When Chappell took over as coach he stated that the fortunes of the India team would not improve overnight. He was in the job for less than two years and I wonder whether this is enough time to develop a winning team. England's successful 2004/2005 seasons were 5-6 years into Fletcher's reign as coach.
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Vaughan has until the end of the West Indies ODI's

After a few weeks of County Cricket, Vaughan needs to get some runs to be considered in the next England set up. If he doesn't I have no doubt he will be dropped, even from the test team. If he does find some form, he will be given to the end of the ODI's with West Indies to rediscover form and get some scores or otherwise, he will be dropped.

The story for Vaughan is...get runs if you want to resume your international career. I hope he can get form because his innings against West Indies and his bowling proved he can be useful. If he could be more consistent, than he deserves to be in the squad.

Despite the 79 runs, he still needs to hit some 100's in county cricket. Even if he gets a load of half-centuries, I wouldn't consider him, he needs to show he can get the big scores. He is right in saying he still thinks he is a good captain, because he is. But the world cup has been unsettling for him, he has made that statement false. What he needs is some time in the middle to fully recover from his injury and get some cricket behind him. He went into the World Cup with only a few innings of cricket behind him. It was ridiculas that a half-fit player out of touch was considered.

You have until July Vaughan...Good luck.
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