Panic... let's bring back any name we can think of!!

[pie_chucker]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Blimey, I can't even do a slightly tongue in cheek Thread without someone taking offence...

LOL.

Anyway you are right Irani is an odinary player, lets face it the CC isnt exactly a high standard. Why do you think all these trundlers take wickets every year??

[Andy Mellon]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

PS a Test batting average of 17, is a bit rubbish though

No doubting that - he was never a test player really. He could have done a job in ODIs, but couldn't find any consistancy.

Now, if you're looking for rubbish averages - look no further than Gavin Hamilton...

[pie_chucker]

Originally Posted by Andy Mellon

Now, if you're looking for rubbish averages - look no further than Gavin Hamilton...

True, you would be hard pressed to find players with worse averages.

Why not recall just about any players called up during the Illy years, they were all random selections mostly of players who were no where near test class.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by A Walking Wicket

Jason Gallian? He's had a couple of good knocks this season so could fill Vaughan's place in the side

He should have been in the England side years ago.

While he got no chances - players like D Pringle and Anthony McGrath di.

[pie_chucker]

He did get a couple of goes, but like Nick Knight, his technique against pace ( Ambrose and Walsh) wasnt the best and I think a broken finger meant he never got any more goes.

[darksideofthemoon]

Players that have played for England and are still playing county cricket minus the 25 players in the Performance Squad -

Averages
40.20 - McGrath
34.61 - Crawley
34.58 - Butcher
32.00 - Clarke
31.32 - Hick
31.00 - Key
27.32 - Ramprakash
17.40 - Smith
17.20 - Irani
16.60 - Afzaal
13.00 - Adams
12.33 - Gallian
11.50 - Maddy

Bowlers (not including all-rounders)
15.00 - Clarke
17.18 - Johnson
27.20 - Ali
28.39 - Gough
29.52 - Kirtley
29.81 - Cork
29.91 - Caddick
34.39 - Tudor
35.28 - Saggers
40.36 - Silverwood
40.60 - Giles
43.00 - Udal
61.54 - Dawson
66.63 - Batty
92.50 - Ormond
180.00 - Patel
- Schofield
- Sidebottom
- Blackwell

[flanflinger]

Good stuff

Does make you think that of the batsmen, only one averages above 40 (and that was McGrath who got some cheap runs versus Zimbabwe)

Puts into perspective why I would end up picking Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood, Cook, Vaughan and Strauss - all of whom average over 40 - ahead of any of those guys.

As for bowlers, it would be interesting to look at how many wickets those guys have take, as Rikki Clarke (4 wickets against Bangladesh) does look very wrong at the top of that list!

[darksideofthemoon]

Sorry Clarke shouldn't have been there as he is an all rounder. I wonder if Ormond is still waiting to hear from the selectors?

[pie_chucker]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

Does make you think that of the batsmen, only one averages above 40 (and that was McGrath who got some cheap runs versus Zimbabwe)

Puts into perspective why I would end up picking Bell, Pietersen, Collingwood, Cook, Vaughan and Strauss - all of whom average over 40 - ahead of any of those guys.

Thats a great point there FF, why drop a succesful player for a failure??

Regaeding our bowlers, we have the best pace attack around, why change it??? Going into the Lords test Harmi and Hoggard are in good form, Flintoffs getting there and even Plunketts looking good. All we need now is for Jones to get fit!

[Trescothick's Footwork]

I love the fact Ramps thinks he was hard done by in terms of England, and yet he played 52 test matches averaging just 27!