Michael Vaughan did lie - Guardian.

[Ernest]

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and Michael Vaughan has been made to eat his words.

Originally Posted by BBC

He denied using the word "Fredalo" when discussing off-field incidents. "One word changed the context of the whole article, a word I didn't say," he said.

Well I have listened to the audio of the interview and Vaughan did use the word "Fredalo"

Proof listen here Listen here .

Originally Posted by Guardian

Guardian denies Vaughan claims
Cricket: The Guardian has published an audio file to show that, despite his denials, Michael Vaughan did refer to the 'Fredalo' incident when talking to the paper.

Listen here .

Originally Posted by Cricinfo

Now, however, Vaughan claims he was misquoted. "I never used the word 'Fredalo'," said Vaughan. "As soon as you mention that, you are pinpointing one person. I'll be having dinner with him in an hour's time. It [the article] has been blown out of all proportion. One word changed the whole context of the article, a word which I didn't say."

Wrong: Listen here

This is not an attack on Michael Vaughan, but if he has lied, that is far worse than the pedalo incident, the above does prove that Vaughan did mention "Fredalo".


Cruel says Derek Pringle click here .

Originally Posted by Derek Pringle

Vaughan admits his part in that, but goes on to suggest he wasn't in favour of Flintoff's appointment for the Ashes. Strangely, he was quoted saying the opposite at the time, but then when you start referring to yourself in the third person, as Vaughan has started to do, there are clearly two points of view to consider.
Given its most positive gloss, his reproof could be an attempt, misguided as that now seems given the robust reaction coming from Lancashire, to goad the country's finest all-round cricketer into a storming return from injury. Or has Vaughan decided to lay blame because he feels Flintoff is a spent force? There must be a reason. Vaughan does not drop grenades into on-the-record chats with journalists by accident.

I think the answer to this would be the most interesting, I think Vaughan was so ill advised to do this interview, when playing at Old Trafford tomorrow Thursday 7th june.

Link to the Vaughan/Flintoff thread by Quagmire click here .

[darksideofthemoon]

One is the Pedalo/Fredalo incident and the other is the Rumours incident. As the players at Rumours were low profile players the Fredalo incident makes more news because of Flintoff.

[Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Derek Pringle

Vaughan does not drop grenades into on-the-record chats with journalists by accident.

And finally someone gets what I've been saying all along! Thanks Derek (and Ern).

As I said in the other thread, I believe Vaughan is getting exactly the kind of response he was hoping to get. So, either he is very clever...or extremely stupid.

[greg]

Oh well,it appears i was wrong then.

Ern can hand me the huge slice of humble pie.

What it makes you think though is can Vaughan and Flintoff work together in the future?

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by greg

What it makes you think though is can Vaughan and Flintoff work together in the future?

If the audio tapes are genuine - then the matter will be papered over, but in the long run I don't think Vaughan and Flintoff will be able to play in the same team with any degree of trust.

I can't see Flintoff as senior players do, offer Vaughan advice on the field - I just wonder the motive.

[flanflinger]

Originally Posted by Ernest

If the audio tapes are genuine - then the matter will be papered over, but in the long run I don't think Vaughan and Flintoff will be able to play in the same team with any degree of trust.

I am not sure this will cause a long term problem between the two. But I do feel that if Vaughan was naive in using the phrase "Fredalo" he was even more naive by denying he used the phrase, when it was taped.

As it is, I still feel he was referring to the incident (which involved several players) rather than just Flintoff, and I still say that the headline makers made more of this story by reading into what was said, rather than reporting what was said.

[Occasional Fan]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

[Vaughan]was even more naive by denying he used the phrase, when it was taped.

Can't argue with that at all. Mike Selvey gives Vaughan a savaging in The Guardian today, not for the original interview (he praises him for his candour in that case), but for the subsequent denial of what he said and for claiming to be "totally misquoted" when he spoke to Jonathan Agnew about it. Vaughan, Selvey says, comes out of this "looking like a bit of a dick", and I think Selvey's right.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

I am not sure this will cause a long term problem between the two. But I do feel that if Vaughan was naive in using the phrase "Fredalo" he was even more naive by denying he used the phrase, when it was taped.

I hope that Vaughan makes an apology to Flintoff over that comment - and I hope that Flintoff is big enough to accept it.

Vaughan needs IMO not to keep grudges - it seems (if true) that Flintoff did not want his advice in Australia, and that did not go down well.

I think that Vaughan has a ruthless streak, which is good IMO for a captian to have, but I think he needs to save his barbs for the opposition.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Ernest

I think that Vaughan has a ruthless streak, which is good IMO for a captian to have, but I think he needs to save his barbs for the opposition.

Yes,a split dressing room won't give you a winning team no matter how good the players are.

I hope that Flintoff returns fit and healthy in the winter and he and Vaughan can work together in leading us to many more victories.

What we need is Hoggy back to do a prank like he did in Australia to Freddie when he took the stripes off his boots as he was no longer captain.

[Seamer]

Originally Posted by flanflinger

I am not sure this will cause a long term problem between the two. But I do feel that if Vaughan was naive in using the phrase "Fredalo" he was even more naive by denying he used the phrase, when it was taped.

I think they will have a problem because Vaughan basically blamed Flintoff for ruining the tour. Whether he said "Fredalo" or "certain incidents", it is all semantics. It is the substance of what he said that counts.

Originally Posted by flanflinger

and I still say that the headline makers made more of this story by reading into what was said, rather than reporting what was said.

But what he said exactly corresponds to what the headlines say - Vaughan thinks Flintoff ruined the tour

Originally Posted by Vaughan

"We arrived at the World Cup in a positive frame of mind," Vaughan told The Guardian. "But unfortunately incidents happened which affected the team. You have to be honest, the 'Fredalo' incident did affect the team. It did affect morale.

What else can you read into that? He blames Flintoff fair and square. Not a mention of his and Bell's efforts the bat i notice. In a WC where par was scoring at a run a ball, those to fell well short, which constantly put England under pressure.

Originally Posted by Vaughan

Suddenly you've got players who have no freedom left. I like to see players enjoy themselves but no one would dare go out after that incident - and you can't create any spirit then."

Seems to me like he's saying the English team can't stand the sight of each other unless they are stinking drunk. There was no stopping English players going out an enjoying themselves provided they didn't get so drunk that they ended up disgracing themselves, no doubt what every other competing player in the tournament did. In any case, they are well paid professional athletes and should have enough discipline not to drink to excess

Originally Posted by Vaughan

"I didn't captain as well as I should've done because of the pressure I put myself under. I'd admit that. But I couldn't switch off because away from the field there was so much going on - with Bob Woolmer and 'Fredalo'.

If he was so obsessed with Woolmer's death and 'Fredalo" that he could not stop thinking about it every hour of his spare time, then i think he needs to see a shrink. Australia lost Warne to a drug scandal on the eve of the 2003 WC, but they put it behind them and went on to win the comp.

Originally Posted by Vaughan

So I'm going to sit down with Peter Moores and come up with what we feel is the best one-day formula because we haven't been successful for a long time."

lol. Persistent man, i'll give him that