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Old 23-10-2004, 03:57 PM
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Lightbulb Best Spinner For India Ever?.

We all know India has produced some of the world finest spin bowlers.

Who do ypu think was the best ever, go back as far as you wish, or as recent as you wish.

I know who my favourite Indian spinner was, his initials where B.B.
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Old 23-10-2004, 09:40 PM in reply to Ernest's post "Best Spinner For India Ever?."
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Balls    M     R    W    Ave   BBI    5  10    SR  Econ
21364 1096  7637  266  28.71  7-98   14   1  80.3  2.14,
now here was a spinner, the original "Turbinator", he just bamboozled batsmen with his cunning.
Rachael, I doubt you ever saw him, you would have approved.

Come on Nikhil, who was, or is your favourite spin bowler?.
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Old 24-10-2004, 12:09 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Balls M R W Ave BBI 5..."
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If you count Kumble as spinner ( we know his mystery ball is one which actually turns) then I think he would go as all time best. No tonly he took a lot of wicket but he won a lot of matches for India too.

Otherwise I think B.ChandraShekhar is the best. This guy mesmerized batsmen with his legspin bowling all over world in all type of condition.
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Old 24-10-2004, 10:05 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Balls M R W Ave BBI 5..."
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If you count Kumble as spinner ( we know his mystery ball is one which actually turns) then I think he would go as all time best. No tonly he took a lot of wicket but he won a lot of matches for India too.

Otherwise I think B.ChandraShekhar is the best. This guy mesmerized batsmen with his legspin bowling all over world in all type of condition
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Hmm, I know what you mean over kumble, I would say he is a spinner, I tend to like the great spinnerers like Bedi, but kumble keeps coming up with the goods.
I dint know much about ChandraShekha, but from you description, would love to see him play.

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Old 24-10-2004, 04:51 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "fair_&_balance Hi, , Hmm, I know..."
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Hmm, I know what you mean over kumble, I would say he is a spinner, I tend to like the great spinnerers like Bedi, but kumble keeps coming up with the goods.
I dint know much about ChandraShekha, but from you description, would love to see him play.

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Ernest,
If you have seen Bedi play you must have seen Chandra too. Both of them played together most of the time Chandra being little senior. Here is his stats
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Mat Balls R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10
58 15963 7199 242 8/79 12/104 29.74 2.70 65.9 16 2
Check his page at cricinfo.com http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...R_BS_06001219/

This is what cricinfo has to say :

For a nation starved of wins abroad, Chandra was a rare jewel: he remains India's biggest matchwinner overseas with 42 wickets in five Tests. Batsmen didn't know quite what to expect from him and sometimes neither did Chandra himself, as he once admitted. An attack of polio in childhood left his right arm withered, but Chandra turned his handicap into an advantage. After a long, bouncing run-up, he delivered sharp googlies, spiteful topspinners and legbreaks at near medium-pace from the back of his hand with a whipping action. He could often be erratic, but no one among India's famed spin quartet was more likely to deliver an unplayable ball than Chandra. His 6 for 38 at The Oval in 1971 gave India their first series victory in England and he was instrumental in India’s first win in Australia in 1978, taking 12 for 104 at Melbourne.
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Thanks for the link F & B, yep remembered his face as soon as got on that page, a long while ago,, I can remember him, but Bishen Bedi sticks in my mind more,mind as I really admired that player, as an England supporter, when Bedi was bowling, it was bite your fingers time, a great player.
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Old 24-10-2004, 10:05 PM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Balls M R W Ave BBI 5..."
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Come on Nikhil, who was, or is your favourite spin bowler?.
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This one is really really interesting. I can not put my finger on just a single person. Talentwise, Kumble will stand the last among the following from first to last
1. Subhash Gupte
2. Chandra
3. Bedi
4. Prasanna
5. Venkat
6. Kumble
7. Harbhajan

One may add Sivramakrishan in somewhere, but for the sake of it, let's forget him. He was a good spinner, but not in the category of the above.

Now, Subhash Gupte is perhaps the least known of the all, but take my word, from the accounts I have heard about him, he was a magician. He was more than just a leg-spinner. He was amazing. He had all the weapons a leg-spinner can dream of and could use them at will with a control, that can only be dreamed of. He could have been the best leg-spinner ever, but for faith.

The next three are well and truely legends. Harbhajan has a lot of skill and passion. Venkat was a very good offspiner, often over-shadowed by the other three.

But, for me Kumble has to be the best spinner for India. Not from the point of view of talent, but the sheer perseverance, commitement and ability to bowl long spells is unmatched. He has won India more matches than most of the others. He is the Sachin Tendulkar of Indian bowling.
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Interesting post Nikhil but to be honest I know nothing about Subhash Gupte, but you have given a good description, about as glowing as I gave Bishan Bedi, who I had the pleasure of watching a few times, Like Wasim, when he came on to bowl, you knew somthing was going to happen, that would be exciting.
I just about remember Chandra, I have seen him bowl, but he has not stuck in my mind.
fair_&_balance has given me a good insight into him, I can remember, but not the same as Bedi.

Venkat was another who added spice to a cricket match, a real good one.

Kumble will never have the reputation of the magic of the others, but I have to agree, he works hard, and earns everything he gets.

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Old 24-10-2004, 11:01 PM in reply to Nikhil's post starting "This one is really really interesting...."
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Nice post Nikhil.. but a little harsh on Kumble, perhaps: in any other era he'd have been as much of a legend as the others.

It's sometimes pains me that Shane Wanre casts such a long shadow over leg spin bowling.. and with he and Murali ripping the ball so severly the more restrained action of Kumble seems not to be celebrtated as it might be - but in his own way he is surely to leg spin bowling what Pollock is to seam bowling - the master craftsman.

What astonishes me is that Kumble has been so incredibly successful on EVERY surface. He's that bit faster than Warne, and seem sto do better than the master leg spinner on subcontinetal wicket. Equally, he's better able to exploit bounce than Murali.. and has tended to do better than the off-spinner on (for example) Aussie pitches.

Great character and temperament as well though: your praise of his perseverance, commitement and ability to bowl long spells strikes me as eminently well placed.
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Old 25-10-2004, 12:40 AM in reply to Ernest's post starting "Interesting post Nikhil but to be..."
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Hi Ern,

Well, this is an excerpt from cricinfo about Subhash Gupte.

In a career spanning 36 Tests over a period of 10 years, Subhash Gupte claimed 149 victims at an average of just under 30. The figures belie the stature of the man. Reknowned for his immaculate control over line and length, Gupte was a leg-spinner in the traditional mould. Legend has it that he possessed two googlies, different deliveries that he used to devastating effect.

But, I give more value to what my father used to say about him. He was a genius.

For one unsavoury incident in Delhi and total dumbness of Indian cricket board back then, Gupte would have had a much longer and illustrious career. He certainly would have been a very successful bowler.
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