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Old 01-12-2004, 09:15 AM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "How does this work? I keep reading..."
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I don't know what the official thing is but it seems sometimes India get away with things like that. On your comment about sub continent teams this might give you an idea:

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Old 01-12-2004, 02:29 PM in reply to Zainub's post starting "I don't know what the official thing is..."
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Indian skipper in hot water ...again!

Ganguly in the news for the wrong reasons yet again...BBC reports here that he was summoned to a disciplinary hearing for showing dissent during day four of the second Test against South Africa.

And the latest news (here) is that he's been fined 30% of his match fee. So what next? Ganguly appealing against this fine too, and worse still a certain comission over ruling the fine as well....

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Old 02-12-2004, 06:44 AM in reply to Zainub's post "Indian skipper in hot water ...again!"
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Its ridiculous really.
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Old 02-12-2004, 12:18 PM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "ID - you don't need to apologise for..."
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logise for your opinion. But I would like to ask you the question I almost raised at the top of the thread: if 74 minutes delay in bowling 49 overs is not enough to get banned, what is? And if a ban isn't the appropriate penalty for any amount of delay, what would be the appropriate penalty?
Well i think one should take into consideration some of the reasons for the delay like the dew factor and the fact that it was a high scoring game which means the ball had to be retreived from across the ropes loads of times.Add to thats Salman Butt's injury.
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Old 02-12-2004, 12:24 PM in reply to vvvrulz's post starting "It's just going to show what dominance..."
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It's just going to show what dominance the Indians have over the ICC, technically I beleive, they should never have attended the World Cup because of contract issues. Plus they uplifted several bans dished out for a match in South Africa for 'excessive appealing'. Strange call yes, but does India really have the right to overturn rules at will?
LOL!!!!!ROFL!Is that true.In that case;i wish India got a right to 'exercise' that will over all the awful decisions that Steve Bucknor and harper give.I just think Ganguly had enough ground to appeal (and thats his right).I dont think theres anything abt an ICC inclination towards India.And well the popular over here in India is_India is probably dominant in the ICC and rightly so bcuz we contribute for a lion's share of the boards earnings.
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Old 02-12-2004, 12:32 PM in reply to imaginarydiva's post starting "Well i think one should take into..."
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Well i think one should take into consideration some of the reasons for the delay like the dew factor and the fact that it was a high scoring game which means the ball had to be retreived from across the ropes loads of times.Add to thats Salman Butt's injury.
Hmm. The referee allowed 24 minutes for the special cicumstances. That still leaves a 50 minute over-run unaccounted for. I still think Ganguly is a lucky man. I've no idea whether India carries undue influence in the ICC - that's a very serious allegation for anyone to make in the context of disciplinary or appeal hearings, and it's not one I'd like to make without some strong evidence - but, as I said above, I don't know what the message is that the ICC is trying to send here. Still, it's in the past now, though I did see that Ganguly has been fined 30% of his match fee for dissent in the last test. Will he ever learn? Or does he really not care?
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Old 03-12-2004, 01:30 AM in reply to Occasional Fan's post starting "Hmm. The referee allowed 24 minutes..."
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Interesting comment piece on Wisden cricinfo on the Ganguly affair (here). Is by an Indian journalist so cannot be accused of bias.

Sambit Bal highlights the serious difficulties faced by the ICC after the appeal verdict, and is fairly critical of Ganguly. He also provides some historical context for India's current attitude towards the ICC.

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On the face of it, Ganguly has had a lucky escape. It is not clear how Ganguly and his high-profile lawyers managed to persuade Tim Castle about the unfairness of the ban, but by any reckoning, a delay of an hour, even taking into account the dew factor and injury to a Pakistani batsman, is considerable. Further, Ganguly has been a habitual offender. Did Castle, a barrister by profession, watch the replay of the entire match and calculate every hold-up before arriving at his decision?
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Old 03-12-2004, 03:25 AM in reply to imaginarydiva's post starting "LOL!!!!!ROFL!Is that true.In that..."
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Good point, however.. umpiring decisions are hard to do much about, apart from sacking them altogether.
I still think that the ICC cuts them too much slack, overturning a full ban is pretty light headed, you've gotta agree
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Old 03-12-2004, 06:11 AM in reply to vvvrulz's post starting "Good point, however.. umpiring..."
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LOL!Ok ill agree to that one;u have a point over there.
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Old 03-12-2004, 08:12 AM in reply to Maranello's post starting "Interesting comment piece on Wisden..."
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Interesting comment piece on Wisden cricinfo on the Ganguly affair.
Can't argue with any of that.
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