Test great Sir Viv Richards has hinted that he might be interested in becoming India'

[Ernest]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...ia/4473281.stm
Sir Viv Richards has hinted that he may be interested in taking on the job as coach for India.

Originally Posted by BBC report

The former West Indies skipper does not have a formal coaching qualification.

So what when he has career stats like these.

121 Tests
8,540 runs, average 50.23, 24x100, 45x50, highest score 291
187 ODIs
6,721 runs, average 47.0, 11x100, 45x50, highest score 189 not out

I think he would be the high profile figure India need, I think he has a lot to offer the game!

[vvvrulz]

I beg to differ.

Sure he has a big profile and all, but coaching a side really is a totally different story. Kapil Dev was coaching the team for a while but had no real impact whatsoever.

[Paoli]

Top notch international coaches are rarely recognisded.....

John Buchanan played half a dozen games for Queensland, Duncan Fletcher played half a dozen ODI's for Zimbabwe....Does a good coach have to be a good cricketer?? No.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

Does a good coach have to be a good cricketer?? No.

Viv Richards was a good ricketer, don't forget he has retired, with a lot of knowlage.
I think it is worth giving him a go.
1) It will lift the India supporters, to have such a man.
2) It will give the India batsmen a lift, having Viv Richards as coach.
3) Can anyone name some one better?, Richards is unknown at coach level, but so was every coach at the begining, I myself think he is worth a shot.

[Paoli]

Someone better????????? Probably not. But Ern, you obviously didn't read all of my post. I was saying that if you have a look at the two most succesful cricket coaches in recent times, they are ordinary at best.

I'm sure that Viv would probably be of great knowledge, but somewhere like the MRF Academy would suit him, where he can pass on advice to youngsters.

Why not give the job to the likes of a Dav Whatmore, who says he is interested?? He has worked wonders for Bangla and will be sorely missed if he leaves.

[Rachael]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

Someone better????????? Probably not. But Ern, you obviously didn't read all of my post. I was saying that if you have a look at the two most succesful cricket coaches in recent times, they are ordinary at best.

That's exactly the right approach... Viv Richards would be almost as bad for indian Cricket as Ian Botham would be.. and that's pretty much as low as you can get.

I can only echo your broader point: coaching is a profession in it's own right.. and it's ludicrous to think that having actually been there and done it makes one any more likely to succeed than not having been there and done it.

Kevin Keegan vs. Sven anyone?

Troy C has not got the most illustrious history as a bower.. but he's turned Flintoff from a complete novice who really hadn't got a clue into a bowler who's clearly at home in International cricket (complete with 100% repeatable action and delivery and nice natural shaping of the ball into the right hander, plus the beginnings of a few variations). He's also turned Harmison from a no-hoper into the most promising bowler this country has seen in a generation.

I sometimes think finding something easy is the worst possible background for a coach: it's guys like Gooch (who have had to really work to even get to first base) who seem to make the most natural coaches. I prefer Gower as a player.. but Gooch even Mark Richardson (who, lets remember, started as a no 11 bat) would be a more likely batting coach.

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Paoli69

Someone better????????? Probably not. But Ern, you obviously didn't read all of my post. I was saying that if you have a look at the two most succesful cricket coaches in recent times, they are ordinary at best.

I did read all your post, and I did not disagree, but I said that VIV Richard was worth a try,he is not even a coach as such, but because he was a good player, does not mean he wont emulate lesser players turned coaches, and also a lot depends on what coaching staff he would have.

Originally Posted by Paoli

Why not give the job to the likes of a Dav Whatmore, who says he is interested?? He has worked wonders for Bangla and will be sorely missed if he leaves.

Not sure you are right here, tell you why, Bangladesh could only go one way, and that was upish, and Paili, coaching India is a big jump from coaching Bangladesh.
To put it even another way, would you like Whatmore to take over coaching Australia, on the strength of what he has done for the Bangers.

Originally Posted by Rachael 45322

That's exactly the right approach... Viv Richards would be almost as bad for indian Cricket as Ian Botham would be.. and that's pretty much as low as you can get.

This is a sweeping statement, how on Earth could you know Viv Richards would be as bad as Botham was for England, come to think of it Rachael, I don't understand that remark, Botham has never been a coach for England, just a captain.

Originally Posted by Rachael

I can only echo your broader point: coaching is a profession in it's own right.. and it's ludicrous to think that having actually been there and done it makes one any more likely to succeed than not having been there and done it.

No Rachael, but why would Viv Richards make a poor coach, I am sure that having a good knowlage of the game at first hand as a player, would not be an impediment, more an asset.
I wonder if you would say the same, had Pollock had been in the frame for the India job?.

Originally Posted by Rachael

Troy C has not got the most illustrious history as a bower.. but he's turned Flintoff from a complete novice who really hadn't got a clue into a bowler who's clearly at home in International cricket (complete with 100% repeatable action and delivery and nice natural shaping of the ball into the right hander, plus the beginnings of a few variations.

How Rachael with respect could Troy C have done this, look at Flintoffs action, that's never the result of coaching, it's his natural action, and I think his variations have evolved.
Reports have it that Flintoff is hill running, he did this last year, he lost loads of weight 2 years ago, by his own efforts, I don't know about Harmison, but if Harmisons form in South Africa was anything other than home sickness, it reflects bad on the England coaches.

Originally Posted by Rachael

I sometimes think finding something easy is the worst possible background for a coach: it's guys like Gooch (who have had to really work to even get to first base)

Hmm I remember gooch did a lot of moonlighting in South Africa, not that good an example to the players he would coach, and in my opinion that would matter.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

No Rachael, but why would Viv Richards make a poor coach, I am sure that having a good knowlage of the game at first hand as a player, would not be an impediment, more an asset.

He'd expect too much from the players. He'd no doubt want them all to play to a level he once did and then when it doesn't happen, get ********** off and create a bad vibe in the camp.

Besides, it's would be criminally insane to appoint someone who doesn't have any coaching qualifications, whether they were a big name player or not.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ernest

Hmm I remember gooch did a lot of moonlighting in South Africa, not that good an example to the players he would coach, and in my opinion that would matter.

Here's a quote from a well known film..

Do not despise my command because you know me to be a sinner

[Ernest]

Originally Posted by Pete

Besides, it's would be criminally insane to appoint someone who doesn't have any coaching qualifications, whether they were a big name player or not.

Yeah Pete I take your point, but who are the people who train people to be coaches?, and who are the people who train coaches to teach people how to be coaches?.
Because in there - must have been a hell of a lot of good ex players amoungst the coaches, and Viv Richards or say Michael Holding have a lot of first hand knowlage to pass on, might not work, but look at the plight of the world teams today.
West Indies-Poor.
South Africa-not much better.
India-have to consider the likes of viv Richards.
New Zealand-poor.
Not to mention teams like Zimbawe and Bangladesh.
So cricket is at a low standard, anything is worth a try.

Originally Posted by Pete 45331

Here's a quote from a well known film..

Originally Posted by Pete

Do not despise my command because you know me to be a sinner

Gooch a sinner-LOL I like that , well he could hardly tell players loyalty was a top priority, without his lip curling. .