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Old 26-03-2008, 01:00 AM in reply to Notts Exile's post starting "And they wonder why very few in England..."
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If county cricket had more money would it not get the best players in the world ? Premiership football does it. Now IPL is doing it. It's wrong to say that if you are not from IND, AUS or ENG you dont have a right to earn good money.

How can asking for a window be arrogant. Telling is arrogant not asking. And a window makes more sense so that unlike the ICL and county cricket people wont have to leave their country duties to play for some local leagues.

You cannot patent this obviously. Suppose that was just a joke.

I cannot believe no one can come up with even one good thing that will come out or even agree with some I pointed out.
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Old 26-03-2008, 07:57 AM in reply to amitdesilva's post starting "If county cricket had more money would..."
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I can come up with a good thing.

Players won't be coming over to England and getting used to the conditions in county cricket before coming back a few years later and stuffing our national side.

When teams from all over the world come to India and beat you using their knowledge of the pitches from the IPL then you will understand.
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Old 26-03-2008, 10:02 AM in reply to greg's post starting "I can come up with a good thing. ..."
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I thought they beat England because they were better than you.

Amit, it's a major financial investment in a 20/20 league organised by the BCCI and not played in England/Australia. It involves large sums of money being spent on franchises and players being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a few weeks work.

Now it might turn out to be a truly fun diversion and be the pre-eminent 20/20 tournament in the world.

Who knows...

However, I'll repeat what I wrote earlier this time with a few keywords highlighted

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Amit, it's a major financial investment in a 20/20 league organised by the BCCI and not played in England/Australia. It involves large sums of money being spent on franchises and players being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a few weeks work.
And you expected positive replies on THIS messageboard? Oh my!

In fact, I missed out sanctioned by the ICC. That's another trigger phrase.
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Old 26-03-2008, 01:43 PM in reply to Ninjaman's post starting "I thought they beat England because..."
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Old 26-03-2008, 02:20 PM in reply to batoutofhell's post starting "good one ninjaman:jest:"
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If it was a similar competition within England, I suspect that the critics would dissappear.
Myself I am happy that talent within other countries now haveoptions other than letting the ECB pry talent out of their national duties.
Maybe in a few years the English national team will begin to look less like a commonwealth-invitational team.
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Old 26-03-2008, 02:56 PM in reply to PaceHitta's post starting "If it was a similar competition within..."
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If it was a similar competition within England, I suspect that the critics would dissappear.
Myself I am happy that talent within other countries now haveoptions other than letting the ECB pry talent out of their national duties.
Maybe in a few years the English national team will begin to look less like a commonwealth-invitational team.
Firstly, the ECB has never tried to stop anyone from playing cricket for their countries. In fact the ECB would rather players did play for their countries instead of coming over here on Kolpaks.

The English national side has English players in it. Just because no-one else in cricket ever colonised anywhere notable does not mean that England is in the wrong. Name me a current England player who hasn't got an English parent or was born in England. (Has anyone criticised NZ for fielding the Saffer, Grant Elliot, in the Third Test?). England will always benefit from its people travelling the world. Even then, we still don't have as many to chose from as India, Pakistan or Bangladesh!!

Don't start believing that India through the IPL is providing the same option for players as County Cricket. As much as I enjoy Twenty20 cricket it must be remembered that the IPL provides a one-dimensional short term option for players to earn lots of money. It will not provide them with a good grounding in the game and opportunity to learn over a good period of time. County Cricket may suffer for a short time while the IPL is in its honeymoon period, however the novelty will soon wear off.
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Old 27-03-2008, 01:57 PM in reply to greg's post starting "I can come up with a good thing. ..."
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There you go.
One more positive to come from IPL.
Players getting more used to Subcontinent conditions.

Dont assume I support India. I dont. I support SL if at all.

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I can come up with a good thing.

Players won't be coming over to England and getting used to the conditions in county cricket before coming back a few years later and stuffing our national side.

When teams from all over the world come to India and beat you using their knowledge of the pitches from the IPL then you will understand.
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Old 28-03-2008, 02:02 AM in reply to amitdesilva's post starting "There you go. One more positive to come..."
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I guess another positive is that it will force the worse-run boards to pick up their act- in effect, when the boards like the WICB are threatened with player walk-outs due to better pay and conditions, then they'll be "scared straight." I hope this happens anyway, because Packer had that effect on the ACB.
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Old 28-03-2008, 02:57 PM in reply to amitdesilva's post starting "There you go. One more positive to come..."
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There you go.
One more positive to come from IPL.
Players getting more used to Subcontinent conditions.
Erm.. exactly which of these players not from the subcontinent signed onto the IPL are particularly lacking in terms of subcontinental experience? Flicking through the list of players signed up I don't see a plethora of (or more accurately any) uncapped 20 year olds making their first trip to this particular part of the world. I somehow doubt that messers Ponting and co are going to make some startling discovery's about how to play their cricket in India in this event.

Even the fringe international players (White, Hussey.D, Mascharenhas) have at some point in their cricketing development spent a far more significant amount time on A/U19 tours in these parts of the world. Time that I suspect is going to prove a darn far more significant than a month of low intensity hit and giggle cricket when they come to make their international bow on the subcontinent.

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Old 31-03-2008, 09:35 AM in reply to engssmoothcriminal's post starting "Erm.. exactly which of these players..."
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True. So that's not really a valid point.

IPL has prevented ICL from causing serious damage to international cricket:
Can one imagine the no. of players who would have defected to ICL if IPL were not started.

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Erm.. exactly which of these players not from the subcontinent signed onto the IPL are particularly lacking in terms of subcontinental experience? Flicking through the list of players signed up I don't see a plethora of (or more accurately any) uncapped 20 year olds making their first trip to this particular part of the world. I somehow doubt that messers Ponting and co are going to make some startling discovery's about how to play their cricket in India in this event.

Even the fringe international players (White, Hussey.D, Mascharenhas) have at some point in their cricketing development spent a far more significant amount time on A/U19 tours in these parts of the world. Time that I suspect is going to prove a darn far more significant than a month of low intensity hit and giggle cricket when they come to make their international bow on the subcontinent.
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