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04-04-2008, 08:49 AM
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| Any batsman that's had to play against both Murali and Warne (and McGrath) in the past fifteen years and still averages top figures is worth commending. Both Kallis and Lara join the Indians (Dravid and Tendulkar) there. Life for those Aussie and Sri Lankan batsmen will have been slightly easier! (especially Sangakarra and Jayawardene as the Sri Lankans seem to play Bangladesh so often!)  |
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04-04-2008, 01:25 PM
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| This has gotten way off track, got any sides?
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04-04-2008, 02:07 PM
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| Well, Mark Richardson would certainly have to be one of the openers. The middle-order would have to include (going back a fair way) Charlie Macartney, one of the less well-known, but greatest, of all Australian batsmen. And there are two pace bowlers who would certainly have to be included- the ever-reliable Pedro Collins, and Damien Fleming. It's a crime that Fleming only played 20 Tests, because he had the figures of a bona fide great. |
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04-04-2008, 04:44 PM
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Mark Richardson Saeed Anwar Jaques Kallis Mohd Yousuf Shiv Chanderpaul Paul Collingwood Mark Boucher Daniel Vettori Chaminda Vaas Matthew Hoggard Corey Collymore Although some are far more notably recognised in the past 12-24 months (Hoggard, Shiv, Vettori), over their careers it hasn't been as much as team mates in my opinion. Same goes for most of those named, always overshadowed by 1 or 2. Anwar is a bit of a 50-50 but couldn't really think of many openers at this minute.
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06-04-2008, 05:31 AM
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| 1. Mark Richardson 2. Mark Taylor 3. Younis Khan 4. Kim Hughes 5. Damien Martyn 6. Brian McMillan 7. Tim Zhoerer 8. Damien Fleming 9. Pedro Collins 10. Hugh Tayfield 11. Stuart MacGill Most of the names are pretty modern, but I think a lot of people tend to forget just how good people like Mark Taylor were. I've heard good things about Zhoerer's 'keeping, and although Kim Hughes was before my time, from what I've heard of him I'm sure he'd be one of the standout batsmen if he was playing today. Hugh Tayfield, the first South African spinner to take 100 wickets, is one of cricket's great spin bowlers, despite never getting mentioned in the same breath as Warne, Murali, Laker and co, and I'm sure he'd do well in tandem with MacGill, who spent his entire career to date in Warne's shadow. |
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| Justin Langer Gary Kirsten Nathan Astle Daryl Cullinan Graham Thorpe Chris Cairns Adam Parore Paul Reiffel Jason Gillespie Angus Fraser Fanie de Villiers No surprise that most of these players were from sides with a strong team ethic like South Africa and New Zealand and there is no-one from India (although Srinath did come close) where any individual is ludicrously overhyped at the smallest amount of success. Also a number players who were quite content to play second fiddle to their higher profile colleagues (Langer to Hayden, de Villiers to AD e.t.c) or in the case of Reiffel a fantastic stop-gap performer who thrived in a specific set of conditions (i.e the ashes in England). You could probably put the likes of Kasprowicz and Craig White on the subcontinent into that category. Two players in particular in that XI who IMO don’t get anywhere near the recognition they deserve are Cullinan and Gillespie. Cullinan will always be remembered as the guy who Warne did a number on which given his quality and record is grossly unfair. Worth mentioning that he was the only South African batsmen amongst Malcom’s carnage at the Oval who fronted up (for me that 94 counts as one of the most underrated knocks of the 90’s) so any questioning of his bottle or temperament is somewhat misguided. And probably the most complete fast bowler of the past decade Gillespie has to go down as one of the unluckiest bowlers in the history of test cricket. McGrath and Warne always seemed to snaffle the wickets but it always was the luckless Gillespie who caused batsmen the most problems. Really shudder to think at how many times he beat the bat on the 2001 and 2002/2 Ashes. |
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