Cricinfo - Pakistan unhappy with appointment of Bucknor and Procter

So they have got their way on Hair (he will never umpire in matches involving them again), they now have a problem with Proctor (he was the match referee of the oval Test) and Bucknor (who was taken off the India/Aus series). It is time for the ICC to turn round to India and Pakistan (and any other nation that seems to see bias where there is none) and tell them they either accept the officials or forfeit the series.

At this rate the only officials Pakistan will accept will be Alem Dar and Asad Rauf!!

I am rapidly running out of interest for these stories. But basically, I agree with you, FF. I'd probably go a stage further: PCB either accepts the officials the ICC presents, or it can leave (or be chucked out of) the ICC. Same for any other board which has a problem. Remove test status, take them off the international circuit. I really don't care how the authorities deal with it. The international circuit is becoming a circus, and I am tiring of it.

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They've expressed their unhappiness with the appointments?

So what? Big deal!!! Aren't they are allowed to be unhappy?

Course they are allowed to be unhappy, but are you really that naïve? They then went on to say (if you read the article) we have a big voice in the ICC, we got rid of Hair from officiating our games, and in the process implying that this is some form of power struggle, and if an official doesn't behave (make the right decisions*) then they can do it again.

*this is important to really grasp, as in any sport where the officials have to make decisions, there will be one side left unhappy and the other happy. Umpires are also human and can make mistakes, if you put pressure on them, (and they are under enough as it is) "get it right or lose your job", then more mistakes will be made.

Snide comments aside, good to see you agree with me.

You are quite right that mistakes are always made. However, when some teams/boards/fans start noticing that the majority, real or perceived, of those errors going against their teams when certain individuals are officiating. When that happens, they don't take kindly to being told they just have to accept it.

Anyway, as I write, Proctor and Bucknor are actually officiating in the 1st ODI v BAN.

So I guess they didn't "get their way"!

Yes he is.

I agree with Ninjaman generally. Forgetting for a moment that its PCB, every member should have a right to protest anything that they believe is wrong. If a team feels wronged by an official, the team has the right to protest. We cant take the right of speech and right of protest away from them.

I agree that unless proved otherwise, an umpire should be considered neutral. But even then we can not deny that there is a possibility of that one odd umpire with an ill-feeling towards a certain team. When a team complains, its ICC's duty to take notice.

Of course the comments made by Naseem Ashraf are ridiculous. But you cant really blame him, he is probably the most messed up man in cricket. I think PCB should concentrate on other much bigger issues. For example, how to keep Shoaib's mouth shut. He has blamed his misdeeds on every other Pakistani except himself.

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Of course they are allowed to. However, what bugs me is that I find myself, a man generally packed with goodwill to all men, in the somewhat unusual position of actually wishing unhappiness on them. Maybe that's a poor reflection on me, and I have no doubt many will think so. However, I have searched my soul for the source of my ill will, and a major contributory factor, I fear, is the incessant bitching and moaning coming from points east regarding professional umpires and referees. Even if I can get past the ill will, I will be miles short of having any sympathy for the views of the PCB on this. To them and those making similar complaints, my message is short and simple: get on with the game or get on your bikes.

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With your "track record" (There's that phrase again!) I'd be very slow to pass any judgement after all we are talking about an Asian cricket board. We've already seen you can't be reasoned and sensible when it comes to discussing Asians.

When you whip up the slightest thing and make an incident out of it, you only exacerbate the very same situation you claim you hate.

Bucknor and Proctor actually are standing in the ODI so what is the fuss for other than to go back over the same old tired arguments with the same old axe to grind.

The fact your arrogance tells you that because I don't agree with you on some of these things I am naive tells more about you than me.

And you don't find it odd that about 90% of all current International Cricket problems are being originated by those same two Asian Cricket boards do you?

Why then are you surprised when people criticise them? But you're not interested in genuine criticism and only interested in seeing racial differences, presumably because it's been built into your psyche for many years.

That's why people call you naive, because you don't see the 'real' issues, but just the ethnic or racial differences.

We get this kind of nonsense in this country all the time - it goes under the general heading of 'polical correctness'! Those imbeciles we elect to run this country even tried to put through a law recently that would have made it unlawful for white people to claim racial discrimation against them! It's only supposed to work one way isn't it?

It's gone just like the divorce laws, historically women came off worse in divorce, so they changed it to balance it out (quite rightly) but, now it's gone too far the other way and they come out much better, even to the point that many men in this country refuse to get married because of it, otherwise they lose everything.

We now have lunatics in this country trying to pass laws so that white people cannot claim to be discriminated against! We're living in a mad house, run by March hares.

I won't even go into the Metropolitan Police's policy of reverse positive discrimination in trying to fast track ethnic minority recruits into positions of seniority, despite their white colleagues having more experience and qualifcations. Or the ethnic minority Civil Service exam candidate that achieved a pass mark far lower than anyone else, purely on the basis that they had to fulfill their 'quota' of ethnic minorities.

Whatever happened to the concept of meritocracy where people succeed or fail based soley on their ability?

I really couldn't care less whether you happen to agree with me or not, so please don't stroke your own ego by thinking that it's important to me. What is important to me is people seeing the truth and reality of the situation and not your or other peoples 'spin' based on your own biased and racial perceptions of the world.

Everything you've said about the Hair issue has subsequently been proved wrong and that's why I and others call you naive, because you can't see the reality, just the racial differences you've been brought up to beleive in.

Yet, you laughably call me a racist!