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| View Poll Results: Pick your all-rounder | |||
| Kapil Dev (India) | | 5 | 29.41% |
| Imran Khan (Pakistan) | | 14 | 82.35% |
| Andrew Flintoff (England) | | 1 | 5.88% |
| Ian Botham (England) | | 11 | 64.71% |
| Jaques Kallis (South Africa) | | 5 | 29.41% |
| Clive Rice (South Africa) | | 0 | 0% |
| Chris Cairns (New Zealand) | | 0 | 0% |
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| I've picked the two who I think would be better-suited to no. 6- Imran and Kallis. Botham batted at 6 for a long time I know, but personally I think Imran was a batter bowler and batsman, and on pur batting ability Kallis is the best one listed. |
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| Kapil Dev, Imran Khan and Ian Botham are my choices. I think my final one just might be Ian Botham as the rest two are bowling allrounders but Ian Botham had genuine talent in both departments, Flintoff has potential to reach Botham's level but still has a long way to go. |
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| To argue that Kapil, Cairns or Flintoff are anywhere near the class of Imran, Botham, Kallis or Rice is laughable - those three shouldn't really be on this list. As for the other four, Rice wasn't a Test player and Kallis is a batsman who can bowl a bit. That leaves Imran and Botham, inarguably the two best all-rounders of the last 30 years. Which one was better? Statiscally, Imran. But a much better guide would be to see how they fared against each other - the tour of 1982 tells us that. Botham was in his prime, in the batting and bowling form of his life, while Imran was still learning his trade as a batsman and was a very novice captain. Yet over the course of that summer, Imran not only comprehensively out-bowled and out-batted Botham, he almost won the series for Pakistan. He went on from that summer to become the one of the all-time fast bowling greats and a genuine middle-order bat; Botham went on to become an over-weight has-been.
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| I am currently going through the same process. ![]() I think that is bit harsh on Kapil who over 131 tests averaged 31.05 (5248 runs and 6 centuries) with the bat and 29.64 (434 wickets) with the ball.
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| The bowling returns are flattered by often being the only real seam bowler in the attack - hence the chap's bound to pick up the odd wicket or two. Nevertheless, I'd argue that a bowling average of 30 runs per wicket (almost 35% to 40% worse than the likes of Imran, Hadlee, Lillee etc) and around 3 wickets per Test is not, by any stretch, a record that merits World XI consideration.
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As far as the post-80 team goes, Imran, Botham and Hadlee would all be in anyone's squad (of 16); the inclusion of Kapil or Cairns etc would mean that we are including the good / very good, and not just the 'great'; extend that approach to batting or pace bowling, and you'd end up with a squad of 60, not 16!
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| I think that it is a straight choice between Imran and Botham for the allrounder role (Hadlee should make it as a bowler anyway) and i would be happy with either of them,the thing we need to do is forget the Botham who was fat and wobbly and a shadow of his former self once injured from 86 onwards and choose between the Botham at his peak and the Imran at his. A tough choice but just because the England selectors kept picking Botham when he shouldn't have been it shouldn't harm his chances of being picked in this side when you look at overall stats. |
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