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View Poll Results: Wh is the best all rounder
Daniel Vettori 2 2.33%
Irfan Pathan 3 3.49%
Shaun Pollock 6 6.98%
Andrew Flintoff 60 69.77%
Jacques Kallis 15 17.44%
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Old 20-01-2006, 08:52 AM
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:18 AM in reply to Mark5dc's post "Who is the best all rounder"
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Flintoff easily.Kallis rarely bowls now and the others are bowlers who bat well.
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:18 AM in reply to Mark5dc's post "Who is the best all rounder"
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Without out a doubt the last couple of years Flintoff.
But Pollock and Kallis are second and third. Both have had problems with their bowling.
Pollock's bowling has been going down hill. He has still been doing okay and his great overall bowling averages are a testament to to that.
Kallis batting has been prolific but his bowling has been poor ( it was never his strength). But maybe done just enough to be conisdered an allrounder over the last couple of years?
As for the rest either they don't come into contention with these three or it is much to early.
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Old 20-01-2006, 10:35 AM in reply to John's post starting "Without out a doubt the last couple of..."
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Gotta be Flintoff..

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If you think it's someone other than Flintoff I would love to hear why. Statistics show that Kallis is better than Freddie but he hardly bowls now and his injury worries at the moment will limit him even further. Pollock's batting is a little hit or miss most of the time and his bowling is beginning to wane.
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It has to be Flintoff by a mile, if only because if he misses out on one disipline, he will come good in another - that to me is a true all rounder.
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Old 20-01-2006, 11:14 PM in reply to greg's post starting "Flintoff easily.Kallis rarely bowls now..."
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Flintoff easily.Kallis rarely bowls now and the others are bowlers who bat well.
An all-rounder IS a bowler who bats well... there can be no other! An excellent bowler (think Pollock) is a useful addition to any team... and if he can bat passably (even at Brett Lee's level or Shane Warne's level) he's that much more useful. An ordinary bowler adds little (think Tresco, Bell, Vaughan)... and good batsmen are ten a penny... so that combination is worth diddly-squat.

In the days of uncovered wickets the batting all-rounder might have been useful... but any bowler who is not a frontline bowler is just going to get taken to the cleaners on today's **** pitches: excellent bowling is now the essential skill... to the point where I'd regard Hoggard as a more useful "all-rounder" than Kallis (Hoggard's batting might save a game... Kallis' bowling is unlikely to win one).

Of course... Kallis is a great batsman no matter what the pitch / conditions.. where Hoggard only shines on proper Test tracks... making Kallis the more valuable player - but that's as a specialist.
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Old 21-01-2006, 12:21 AM in reply to Rachael's post starting "An all-rounder IS a bowler who bats..."
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An all-rounder IS a bowler who bats well... there can be no other!
No.An all-rounder is a player capable of holding down a place in the team in either discipline.The point i made is that Flintoff is the only one of these who can.Pollock is a bowler who is a decent bat but if he was to not be a bowler would he get anywhere near his national team?
As for the Hoggard point.Hahahahahaha.
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Old 21-01-2006, 12:42 AM in reply to greg's post starting "No.An all-rounder is a player capable..."
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What about Brett Lee? Would you consider him an all rounder?
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These polls are getting a bit tedious, but, I will answer it. It is Flintoff. Average of 40 and mid 20's with the ball in his last 25 tests is outstanding. Kallis is not a genuine allrounder, he couldn't get into SA's team as a bowler alone. Flintoff could and HAS got into Englands side as both a batsman or bowler.
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