Goes to prove my point that England should not attempt to play two spinners, I do think Moss has a point though.

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Ern

True, but you could argue that catches are the same. An edge is only found if a bowler finds it.

<clutching at straws>

Stats aside, I do seem to recall many, many missed stumpings by Jones.

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Not that many: he was dropped for his batting rather than for glovework errors. My impression is that his glovework has lacked refinement (ball bobbling around a lot) but has been fairly effective.

Jones' positioning has often been too defensive... and the slips have certainly been set too deep... but that's quite possibly what the coach wants: it's harsh on the 'keeper to blame him without knowing the full details. What CAN be said is that we've witnessed no real effort to bring glovework to the fore: after all these years of Fletcher's reign we still don't have a seamer who looks like he's been trained up to work on stumpings or on keeper-induced dismissals (with batsmen failing to get forward because of fear of being stumped).

Given that glovework is the one area of the game in which England could field a player who knocks spots off ALL his international rivals... that seems particularly remiss... but means that the difference between having Jones behind the stumps and having Read behind the stumps is not as great as it might have been - though Panesar might single-handedly change that in due course.

I can't agree with what you say at all, Jones was dropped because of his batting yes, but that was only because he was doing no better than Read who is a better keeper.

Fletcher was forced into droping jones, in order to get his back in the side, he has used reads horrible one day batting as an excuse.

Also jones had a bad habit of trying to take catches that SHOULD have been for first slip, this is all part of glovemanship.

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Ern

Any coach is entitled to favour one player over another based on their perceived strengths / weaknesses. What the coach is not entitled to, in my opinion, is to publicly disparage a team member just few days into a 5 test series. That is quite unprofessional and uncalled for. You have to feel for Read

Quite - the deed was done at a strange time, in fact like in the West Wndies, when Read lost his place on a no matter match with still the one dayers to play.

Welcome to the board Jude.

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I have seen an article think its on cricinfo says he has already missed 7 chances. Just say he missed 7 chances against the Aussie top 7 they would murder England if that happened. Warne to me speaks with a lot of sense and he cannot understand why pick Jones over Read we says that nasty habit of jumping in front of first slip would be of putting, he also cannot understand if Giles got picked above monty

I'm fascitnated by how any English player/pundit/fan, can possibly give our selectors any cheek when you guys are selecting players who are neither well established or proforming.

At least when we pick a player who is out of form it's because we know that he can... at the very best all you can hope for from Jones is a 50 and only two dropped catches.

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Possibly because for now we hold the ashes and you have basically picked the same old men that we beat last time.