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flanflinger

Mahmood bowled more overs than all the other seamers, and your right he didn't get carted, but he was also the least economical going at almost 4 an over,

So he didn't get any wickets and he was the least effective at holding an end up... so it just goes to show why Mahmood is behind Anderson at the moment..

Milo

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Originally Posted by Mr Hutt

When i said not looking good... i meant in overall terms also not just this match. Watson will be fit for brisbane.. even if he is not Australia can easily replace him... but both Harmison and Tresco not playing in Brisbane???? helloooo yr opener and front line seamer are now gone!!!

Things are certainly not looking good

Plenty of people could have said that things were not looking good for Pakistan without their two leading bowlers (and a very rusty skipper returning) for the current test series against West Indies. Of course, this did not stop them bowling out the West Indies twice and easing to a first test victory.

I'm not too sure the absence of Trescothick and Harmison will make too much of a difference at Brisbane.

Mr Hutt

We are playing against WI at home Milo not really noted for their test form.

Did you not see the effect of both Shoaib & Asif not being there in the CT?

And for that matter we had Umar gul and Shahid Nazir, not excatly replacements for the 2 gone but good enough does england have someone good to replace Harmison?

flanflinger

To be honest this is one of the least disastrous starts to a tour England have had...

The fact that Trescothick has gone, and there is doubt over Harmison is actually not that bad... but it's probably cause I am used to England having awful starts to tours!!

I get the feeling Harmison will be fit and this is just a precaution, but with only 25 overs under his belt it is bit worrying, but Anderson, Hoggard and Monty all look good so I confused as to why Mr Hutt is so negative, he obviously doesn't follow many England tours...

Mr Hutt

Actually this is the first ashes im following with such interest Flan

so maybe i will live through it and learn??? that its not that big of a deal for England?

flanflinger

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Originally Posted by Mr Hutt

so maybe i will live through it and learn??? that its not that big of a deal for England?

We have had some much worse starts to tours... and still come out good in the end... South Africa in 2004-05 was very average, and we still won the Test series...

Usually by now we are on our third replacment, and we have lost all the tour matches by a substantial margin, and nobody has a clue what the XI might look like... so by our usual standards this isn't too bad!!

Milo

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Originally Posted by Mr Hutt

We are playing against WI at home Milo not really noted for their test form.

Did you not see the effect of both Shoaib & Asif not being there in the CT?

Of course, it was only meant to be an analogy. I did see Pakistan in the CT and I would never consider that the bowlers' absence made that much difference. The batting failed in the two games they lost. This is my point exactly, there are still nine regulars to make the difference. Harmison wasn't bowling too well and Trescothick was batting poorly. Their absence could be a blessing (if we can find someone to replace Harmision, as you say). The last thing we want is Harmison being carted in the first innings and going AWOL all series. Now, Simon Jones' absence is a much worse blow. He was one of the three reasons we won the Ashes.

Mr Hutt

Yes definitely milo, simon jones was an amazing contributor with the ball.

Err ok Flan... great to see England on top of everything this tour. If this is the normal case then i have much to learn i think.

Rachael

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Originally Posted by flanflinger

To be honest this is one of the least disastrous starts to a tour England have had...

Quite. This comes from cricinfo:

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Originally Posted by cricinfo

2002-03 [...] England [...] they arrived in utter disarray. Darren Gough, the only bowler to have taken a Test wicket in Australia, struggled throughout with a chronic knee condition and flew home ahead of the first Test. Andrew Flintoff was barely able to walk after a hernia operation and didn't play a game. Marcus Trescothick had a dicky shoulder, Simon Jones had a damaged rib, Michael Vaughan wore an ice-pack on his injured knee (although he showed no ill-effects when the real action began). But even those who were injury-free became laughing stocks, especially Steve Harmison, who winged down eight wides in an over at Lilac Hill, and the captain, Nasser Hussain, whose decision to field first at Brisbane was interpreted as an article of surrender.

The article lists a stack of disasterous build-ups... including 1990-9... which they suggest was "arguably England's most dismal Ashes campaign of the lot" (that's the Gooch gashed-finger tour, when England "lost humiliatingly to South Australia at Adelaide and saved face against an Australian XI at Hobart only through twin centuries from Allan Lamb" - it is worth revisiting!

The best of the rest... in brief summary

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1970-71 [...] What ended as a triumph for England started as a shambles.

1982-83 [in] the absence of Graham Gooch [...] Geoff Cook, Chris Tavare and Graeme Fowler [...] were all in such desperate form in the warm-up matches (not a half-century between them) that it was seemingly a contest for the right to be omitted.

1986-87 [...] "There are only three things wrong with the English team - they can't bat, they can't bowl, and they can't field."

1994-95 [...] Angus Fraser [...] was omitted from the squad in favour of [...] the one-cap wonder Joey Benjamin and "the rat who joined the sinking sink, Martin McCague [...] Phil DeFreitas's first delivery of the series - a revolting long-hop that Michael Slater smeared through the covers - lives on in infamy.

1998-99 [...] the storm clouds were mounting [...] with Michael Atherton's degenerative back condition causing particular concern.

Ernest · 06:03 AM

England fight back well, with Bell on 95 and Collinwood falling on 80.
South Australia 247 - 9 Dec

Tait in a warning to England took 2 early wickets..

England at one stage 35-3 in part dues to the silly watcman idea, when Hoggard fell - Cook soon followed - caught of the bowling of Jason Gillespie.

Update: England 267-4, with Bell on 124 and Pietersen on 25.

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